Total EMF Solutions - Paul Harding

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I am thrilled to have Paul Harding with us

Paul is the owner of total EMF Solutions in Tucson Arizona total EMF Solutions started as a personal journey and a

fight for his life he experienced a complete breakdown in his sleep after a smart meter was installed on his bedroom

wall in the beginning of 2011 after further research he found that smart meters produced frequencies on the home

wiring and electric field that correlated with those that are used to open the sodium and potassium ion

channels in the body his symptoms began to Abate once he started sleeping in an area with very low levels of exposure

once he found relief his life Focus became studying the source of the problem welcome Paul thanks for joining

us well thanks for having me Lauren yeah absolutely okay so let's dig into your personal story a little more so you know

some people hopefully can't identify but maybe can um so what was the story there

was it I assume it was on the outside of the bedroom right not they didn't do it inside right right

it was a Saturday morning I'll never forget the day uh some a utility guy

came up to the um door and and and knocked on I didn't answer it because it was early Saturday morning and I wasn't

ready to for any visitors the power went off the power came back on and a little

pamphlet uh was left on the door yeah and it said you know we installed the

smart meter and it had little glasses and it was smiling and I thought great you know whatever I looked at it real

quick and I went on my day right uh said that it was going to save me money

so uh that night I woke up at 3:12 a.m. and it was an instant wake up just

like from zero to 100 in a split second right my heart's pounding I had energy I

went out to the kitchen because I didn't keep a clock in my bedroom right and I normally slept through the night I it

was actually difficult for me to get up in the morning so it was unusual I could

sleep 8 nine 10 hours no problem and I was never rested I would have to take a couple of naps to get through the day

and that's been throughout my life so waking up at that time was

weird so the day went on didn't think anything of it went to bed that night

the next night this was a Sunday night now at 11:00 at night I woke up again at

the same time and I went out to the to the uh

living room and I sat down and I looked at a pamphlet and I looked at that smart meter and something told me was God

right yeah look up smart meter sleep problems and I did and I found all these

people in California having the same issues right and somnia was Pro part of

it and I thought no way because I was a tech guy right I had the

oh no yeah yeah I had the wireless I had the wireless modem on my laptop I've had

a cell phone since the 90s you know I had the big brick one you know and I had

the the other uh as Generations became better the you know the phones became

better I had the latest and greatest I had the Blackberry and uh I had the iPhone and and uh

so I was researching other that could wake me up or have an insomnia problem

please let it not be that right right right right so I spent the whole night researching this and I came across this

website called stop smart meters uh.org over in

California and they had posted somebody had posted some good information from

the defense intelligence agency and uh I was reading these military papers and uh

they looked legit you know um they looked legit so that morning I called

SRP and I asked them to take the smart meter off the side of my house and she said I'm sorry sir that's just how we've

got to you know that's how we do it now and she said well why why do you

want it taken off I said I think it's waking me up she said well we'll send a tech over to see if it's malfunctioning

see if it's making a noise or something and I said no you're going to have to send this Tech over at like 3:00 in the morning can you do

[Laughter] that and so uh she she said no I'm sorry

we can't do that and blah blah blah and I got off the phone feeling

like this is hurting me and I've got to do something about it so I started

researching and my research just it never stopped really I I was I was I

bought these uh uh printer they were cheap because they weren't Wireless anymore these HP printers and I

was able to to to to uh to print off you know boxes of information there's like

over 20,000 studies on this stuff on RF and on oh yeah and that was from the

that was from the uh the military the Navy I I mean the U us uh sorry

NASA uh and just a bunch of other different different um studies that have

been or papers that have been written all over the world well uh the the the fight went on

and I was talking to SRP and they were you know we were going back and forth

and um and a budsman got involved and she said well you had a smart meter back

at your house over on this other street that I used to live on and I had been living at this place

for eight years and when I got divorced back in 2003 and on my on my home that I moved into in 1999

I believe I was part of a pilot program and we were waking up at the same time

with the kids and I thought it was the kid the kids would wake up screaming at 3:12 3:15 in the morning I thought to

myself why how do these kids wake up at this time of night every night W and uh

my health just went downhill when you're not sleeping um my mouth uh was one of

the first problems I had a lot of uh root canals and bleeding gums and uh

gained a lot of weight my hair was falling out and I was you know like 30

years old and I just felt like dying I remember going to the doctor saying

something is wrong with me and he you know did his steth stethoscope on me and

he said you're as healthy as a horse he said if all my patients were like you I wouldn't have any patients

and I thought well he doesn't know what he's talking about because I feel horrible so anyway I was part of a pilot

program back then and that meter was not on my bedroom wall that was far away from my bedroom W right so it doesn't

have to be on your bedroom wall yeah um yeah so so it took nine months for me

contacting the media contacting attorneys uh just spending every waking

hour I did a neighborhood survey and all these other people were having the same

issues waking up at the same time and I didn't even mention that time and I grew up in that neighborhood I'm the oldest

of 11 so there were seven houses that were immediate family so I

was comfortable you know of course talking with them and and and and and other people in the neighborhood knew me

so at the end of the conversation I would say well they installed smart meters on my home so I tried to do it as non-biased as possible I went out and

bought a meter it was a very basic it was a gigahertz Solutions you know 38b

and it was directional and so I could point this thing anywhere and find that you know this thing was sending off a

signal well there were people online that said well you

have a cell phone and it's much more powerful than this meter and I thought you know you're right they're

right one day I think my my meter was on and it was pointing towards an outlet

and I had read something about RF traveling on energized wiring and it would it went off even

though I had my smart meter covered with aluminum foil like four or five times I

had the back of the wall covered I wasn't even sleeping in that bedroom anymore and I was still having

issues well uh going back to nine months later I was in a restaurant called The

Good Egg over on Central in campb back it isn't there anymore and I had a conversation with a Hostess there I was

a regular there my parents were regulars and uh she complained about waking up at 3:00 in the morning and I she was tired

and so I started going in on how you know the smart meter blah blah blah was dumping data at that

time oh wow is is that when it always dumps data for everybody no they changed

it they they they they've switched it up a little bit since we called them out on it so now you can't pinpoint it quite as

right right right right right sometimes it's four o'clock in the morning sometimes you know it's it's midnight

but it seems to be every four hours every four to six hours it has to dump data because if they lose power that

data isn't saved it has to be saved somewhere okay wow yeah so um I I I was

in there talking uh you know at to this to this host po this and and uh and

these two ladies were listening in on my conversation and they stopped me and they and they said we we couldn't help

but hear about waking up at 3:00 in the morning and we're having the same

problem we were just talking about it and I told them you know it was from the utility and this and that and uh she

looked at at her at her friend and she said wait till Dave hears about

this and I thought oh well Dave whatever well as she was leaving she said oh Dave

by the way is my brother he's the president of SRP oh

wow so that's that escalated quickly very quickly uh very shortly I was able

to get that meter taken off the side of my house fabulous oh that was such a God thing that's amazing yeah yeah and in

the meantime I'm wondering if this is really the problem I'm I'm I had never

been camping before so went and bought you know a tent sleeping bag and everything and I'm driving up into the

forest and sleeping out there feeling amazing and then coming back and feeling

like garbage I had tentis I had hair loss I had muscle cramps in my legs in the middle of the night I had acid

reflux I had heart palpitations I had MS symptoms where my arms you know weren't

moving right I had dementia my memory loss was incredible I couldn't remember

where I put my keys it was just so frustrating uh depression you know I definitely felt

like should I just end it um would never think of that today of course um but uh

yeah it was it was traumatic and so I started shutting the power off to my house

and every morning I would wake up feeling like a million bucks and I thought wow this is incredible I haven't

felt this good since I was a kid and um so one night or one morning I woke up

and I I I felt like garbage again I thought oh I'm on the wrong track this isn't real because I'm going into this

with a like a 50-50 thing I'm not sold on it because I have a I have a I have a

a family member that's a doctor and he said you know you need to just go get your head checked you know this couldn't

be real and so anyway I woke up feeling like garbage and I found that I hadn't

turned all the breakers off to the house wow so it's not even just to your bedroom you had to turn it off to the

whole house in order to right well so if we were to rip out the or take the

drywall off every one of your walls ceilings and sometimes

floors you'd see wire there's wire everywhere we're just living in this cage of wire they're everywhere and so

when the electrician goes to install you know outlets and everything he wants to use the shortest distance possible

because wire is expensive right there's copper in there and everything and so you know it's not just run along one

side of the house right it's just this web well that radiates 6 to8 feet from

you know the wiring in the wall or or from the from your drywall it doesn't just stay in there it's not a shielded wire sure huh so in an office it is so

I'm wondering um I have a Gauss meter U that I've just started trying to learn

how to use if the gaus meter like let's say because you're saying six to eight feet if the smart meter let's say is on

the opposite side of the house and if you move like a foot or so away from it it's no longer blinking that there's a

magnetic field problem it sounds like it's still a problem or if you're in the middle of a room where it's not giving

you alerts and and and it's not blinking it's still potentially a problem depending on level of sensitivity is

that true no so first of all you're measuring it wrong oh correctly right so

mag magnetic field meters there's a there's there are dime a dozen they're all over the Internet and I only use a

magnetic field meter to find a problem you know like if the wires aren't uh you

know doing what they should be I I should say without getting into it too technical um when you separate the

return pathway away from the load there's going to be a magnetic field okay okay right but the electric field

is what I look for in a home I don't really pay attention to magnetic fields

but the utility will will will pay attention to magnetic fields all day long because

they can't be taken to the court right because magnetic fields they've they

they've got these studies that say oh magnetic fields are bad but they never checked the power quality in these in

these in these labs and then they had other studies saying magnetic field was you know it wasn't the problem so it's

inconclusive interesting so and all of them also measure the electric field in the in the RF as well so if you're

looking at those those to say like is there a number at which you say electric field is okay below this the the RF

below this EMF below this do you have like a Ru yeah so I use to to measure

electric Fields proper properly I use a $2,000 meter okay yeah and that's just

for electric fields and magnetic fields right sure okay wow so there's so you just have to have the right Tools in

order to really know if something's a problem yeah they're expensive yeah I bring about 10 grand of equipment out to

a property and I couldn't do my job without them sure okay so and sorry I kind of jumped ahead a little bit here

but um people an idea of so you've listed off a whole bunch of symptoms that people can look at but they're all

fairly General um could be caused by so many different things how does somebody know if the reason why they're waking up

at three in the morning is because of the EMF or they're having headaches or they're having you know all the variety

of extra symptoms is there a way that somebody can narrow this down as a possible root cause yeah um shut all the

power down to their house see what happens you know and then turn off your cell phone and all right yeah go live

out in a cave yeah get out get off the grid and what happen right right because the grid

you know it's not just the the electric field from the wiring in the wall

sometimes it's traveling through the floor sometimes

it's it's it's it's uh propagating through the air they're close to one of those

radio towers okay along the I along the I 10

down down there you know those big long Towers the energy from those right they're pumping out 50,000 watts can you

imagine living just a couple blocks from that that so okay that brings up a good

question so let's say somebody shuts off the power to their whole house but they're right next to a cell phone tower they're not going to feel better right

probably not probably not so camping yeah okay got it

but then again camping sometimes you're not in the right spot I've been out in

the woods testing and the the numbers were off the

charts so you just don't know unless you have the equipment but you you sure can

you know give it a good try got it okay so and um speaking of the cell phone towers is there an easy way for people

to figure out if they're near one like maybe somebody doesn't know is there a site that they can go to to find out

antenna search is a good site antenna search okay yeah link to that in the show notes and um also speaking of cell

phone towers when did 5G actually roll out in Tucson do we know oh I went to meetings

in for 5G and [Music] tucon I think in

2019 I was going to meetings yeah so that means it was already out or that was like the precursor they were

starting to roll roll the the towers out then so

5G can use uh a whole host of different frequencies they can use 900 megahertz

800 MHz 700 MHz these are these are signals that our cell phones use today

1.3 gigahertz it's not the carrier wave that's the problem it's

the information within that wave and and it's that was found back in the 9s uh Dr

George Carlo uh he was in charge of a 28 a.

half million cell phone study and he found that it's the information that's

the problem it's not the carrier waves so I know there are a lot of people out

there focused on that carrier wave but the carrier wave of 5G that's 20 GHz and everything everything else it doesn't

penetrate the skin but the frequencies that the information on there they do your skin

doesn't protect you from that so it's not just those small sight stuff it's

it's it's it's the whole generation five 5G means fifth

generation right but it's everywhere now what do people do to try to get away from

this yeah yeah uh I had to move off grid did yeah yeah so um so there's the cell

phones there's the electric fields that are running through potentially the walls but certainly the sockets things

that you plug in what are some other common sources of EMF that you find that need to be remediated for

people sometimes it's just radio towers okay FM AM radio

stations um ground current so that's that's going

to be a lot of people are getting into this earthing uh where you where you connect yourself

to the to the ground or a sheet to the to the the ground Outlet in your wall or

or out into the into the Earth and I can put my oscilloscope into the Earth put connect my probes and show you voltage

and frequencies all day long the the military uses the Earth as a as a

conductor for their submarines for them to so sorry so are you referring to just

Schuman residence are you talking about like extra current that the power company dumps into the ground right well

the electric company they produce 60 hertz okay and 60 HZ is the frequency

they're they're good at that now the smart meters they produce other frequencies like 25 kilohertz 50 kohtz

okay we took this before the Arizona Corporation Commission in a rate case back in

2017 and brought in uh Sam milham MD mph uh along with the an electrical

engineer that was certified in many courts to show that the smart meter was producing these frequencies these

kilohertz frequencies uh pool pumps variable speed pool pumps create them

CFL light bulbs LED light bulbs pretty much everything today that's energy

efficient solar yeah all produce these frequencies well the the neutral on the

uh Utility side is overloaded because they have two incoming most of the time

and then one outgoing well kilohertz frequencies can only be stopped by

shielded wires okay so that cable to give you an idea of of of of

of why they're or how they're shielded that cable that comes in from the U from

the wall to your modem you know it's like it's it's it's got it braided aluminum through it there's one little

copper wire in the middle if it didn't have that shielding on there that would

be propagating out and and could be possibly distorting pictures on your

monitors and things like that because it's so strong okay and is that dirty electricity that you're referring to or

something different yeah it's dirty electricity dirty electricity or super harmonics okay so we don't have there's

not a government agency to protect you from anything lower than 150 KZ so the

FCC looks at anything above 150 khz whereas everything below it below 100

kertz is being used to create nerve block wow yeah so and the mechanism for

that and I I sent you the paper for that is the opening of potassium and sodium ion channels or inactivation activation

of them and they use kilohertz frequencies so those go internal your

skin doesn't protect you from Dirty electricity but it does protect you from

60 htz I might be getting a little complicated there in that explanation

but uh clean electricity is fine right there it's

used in in in therapy 60 HZ is used in therapy so it's the stuff that you know

the dirt or the or the static that rides within that 60 HZ field is is the is the

isue okay so back to the issue of grounding are you in favor of like the

grounding mats and things like that or not do you see those as no okay I have

many clients that have become sick from this I was wondering about that and why is that what's what's because they're

connecting to a circuit okay so the Earth is is is a pathway for electricity

and frequencies I can I can put my oscilloscope in there all day long and

show you voltage and show you frequencies it's not it's it's it's not zero the Earth is not zero now you're

probably seeing people out there with multimeters and they attach one probe to the Earth and they attach one to their

hand and then they step on it and they say look it went to zero the multimeter

went to zero well that's not a scientific measurement at all it's not found in any scientific literature

except for the earthing people and then these em people that have just adopted it if that

if the Earth was 120 volts okay and you had a probe in your hand and you touched

the same 120 bolts it would show zero but you would have 120 bolts than

you sure okay um so but the idea behind

earthing even with aside from the mats if somebody just goes out and is Barefoot on the earth is that fine if

you're off grid like that's that's a good thing in general right it's less out here but I still have 100 molts in

there and I see frequencies of 24 23 kiltz and and things like I see biologically active frequencies out in

the middle of nowhere the only time you're going to really feel good is when you're at the beach and that's because

electricity and frequencies can't flow through sand interesting okay so um and

you you talked a little bit about the idea of the sodium and potassium channels so those potentially get

disrupted calcium channels get disrupted those are the main mechanisms that I know of by which EMF causes problems in

the body am I missing anything is there anything else that it potentially well you're disrupting the S yeah when that

so the the nihs uh uh produced a paper in

1998 I believe it's called the EMF rapid report and in it it says that just one

molt per meter of internal electric Fields affect the cell they affect the

cellular transduction Pathways the 2013 Nobel Prize winners

found that when you do that you have neurological diseases immunological or sorry immunological disorders

neurological diseases and diabetes that's what they found when you disrupt the cell when you disrupt it

that that that communication in the cell you get those issues and across the

board that's what I see when I see internal electric Fields being produced within the body um it's you're going to

see all all sorts of problems and does this translate to labs in any way like so do people who have high electric

field sensitivity t or EMF sensitivity tend to show up with particular abnormalities in Labs that you've been

able to find or is it mostly subjective from trial and error to see when you feel

better well I think it's trial and error inflammation is probably one of the number one things and then diabetes I I

remember I did a house in uh Tucson there were twins um and one of

them had type one diabetes he had measured his sugar level before I got

there and it was 400 when I got through and I had all the

power off it dropped down to 68 wow yeah he had taken an insulin shot

and he almost fainted so yeah it takes about 45 minutes for

the blood to change from what I'm told and so a lot of people will take their

labs in a different environment where I recommend people having somebody come to

your house and draw blood there at your house draw blood in your environment and

specifically so if somebody doesn't have diabetes for example we might potentially see that the glucose is

creeping up at sounds like even if somebody isn't officially diabetic is that accurate or no it it seems Well

everybody's made differently right and so some people are are weak in in different areas it's whatever think is

that's what blows some might some some somebody might have prostrate cancer yeah so I I've seen PSA numbers

go from 12 to zero in 90 days and that's because they went in 90 days later and had it tested clear yeah so um and then

how did does EMF sensitivity kind of dovetail with like chemical sensitivity for example or chronic infections are

those related in any way that you've seen well I think that whenever you disrupt the communication within the

cell you're all sorts of bad things are going to happen and you do it for a long enough period of time and uh you know

I've been up to Snowflake Arizona where there are a lot of people up there with chemical

sensitivity and they didn't have dirty electricity they didn't have any RF they didn't have any magnetic

fields but they had ground current and they had some AB they had high uh High

harmonics uh from the power grid they're all on 40 acres and just the way their

their their houses were set up uh I couldn't handle being in them for more

than an hour and so these people just continued to be sicker and sicker and sicker and sicker and they got rid of

all the wood in their got metal throughout their house and

there's electrons in that metal and it's just a matter of it flowing so conductive surfaces are are hard too so

I've seen people chase mold or chemical sensitivity with metal because mold won't grow on it or

they have it super clean and actually be doing themselves a more of a disservice huge disservice yeah so okay um can you

try can you revisit the idea of the ground current this it sounds like you were saying that the electricity is

because there's a step up step down like there's transition uh I think between the 60 hertz that the the the power

company is actually producing that has to get transformed and then somehow they can't return it is that what's going on

that it gets dumped into the ground poor return pathway yes so it's a poor return

pathway so if you were to look up uh new neutral toe voltage on YouTube You'll

see Mike Holtz talk about it in Greater depth um but yeah there's it's just

overloaded it's like a think of electricity as water like water Yeah clean water fine but you drink dirty

water go down to Mexico and drink dirty water you're you're going to get sick so clean electricity dirty electricity and

now the pipes are are are all clogged up and it overflows and so it's like sewage

and it's just all throughout the base of your house in your Earth and everywhere in some areas is it's all it it varies

yeah so even if somebody is already kind of like living in the Boondocks and they don't see any cell towers anywhere

nearby there can still be a problem with the ground current as well and you're not going to know that unless you have somebody measure is that true it it it

happened to me and how I know this is because it happened to me for the first four years I just chased magnetic fields

and RF and dirty electricity that's all I chased right and it wasn't until I was

on the on a zoom call uh with uh Dave statzer and he was teaching me how to

use an osilloscope because I was going I was using it to show the world basically the smart meters were producing dirty

electricity and he said go hook this up to the sink and I did and I sent him to waveforms he said I would not spend one

night in that house he said you're G you could have a heart attack gee yeah yeah

because just as little as 80 uh 80 microamp s can cause ventricular

fibrillation my goodness so you have amps you have milliamps and then you

have microamps so just this tiny little bit of current and that's right when you're touching something that's

grounded especially when you're touching something that's grounded like your sink or your refrigerator or even your

computer sometimes because of the cord because it's grounded to the wall you can have a huge amount of current travel

through your body okay okay so let's say somebody suspects their EMF sensitive

they get off the grid they go camping or they shut off the breakers to the whole house and they feel better what are the

steps do they then contact somebody like you a building biologist to come in and try to make their space clean like what

H what do they do now I'm not I'm not a building biologist oh you're not okay no no no I went to their school I went to

their school and they wanted me to perform the next class the last class was something that you know involved

like a seance type of a thing and I'm a Christian okay okay and so I'm not having anything

to do with that and and and so I I've seen I followed I followed uh what they

were teaching and they're very heavy on magnetic fields okay um they don't use

oscilloscopes they just started using oscilloscopes and can you define that

for me what is an ill sure so that's just a if you're an electrical engineer uh and you want to uh present something

in court like Dave Dave ster Dave ster used used 30,000 Co cows he had them

hooked up to oscilloscopes and he proved within a Shadow of Doubt went all the way to the Supreme Court level that the

ground current was affecting the milk production and the health of the cows wow okay and and the Dairy Farmers

themselves felt so much better but anyway it it's just it it measures frequency and voltage okay okay got it

um all right so and then so you're saying that if it you you you kind of got told me that you're not a building

biologist but right somebody is really EMF sensitive they discover camping makes them feel great turning off the

breakers in the house makes them feel great now what what do they do um what just keep living that

way keep living off grid as much as possible right you know just keep you know that's the best that's the best

advice I can give but I I know it's difficult uh you know it took me a long time to to to get away from the the the

convenience of Starbucks and you know the grocery store just being a hop skip and a jump away so uh but uh what I do

is I go into the house and I don't want to tell everybody to move but I want to show them what they can do to lower

their exposure okay it's some some things that these people are

doing it's very evident when you hook when you when you when you showed them on an oscilloscope oh look this is what

you're doing this is what the scope is showing this is how we can stop this for

instance give you give you an example a Macbook right Apple MacBook it's all

metal frequencies are right there there's nothing to keep those frequencies from going into your body so

a lot of people are touching these things right they're all connected via the

ethernet they think that they're doing the right thing but in fact they're actually doing

the opposite I mean they are creating internal electric fields that are through the roof so I see a lot of

people that are sensitive using using MacBooks or using metal laptops what

would I do I would simply hook up a plastic keyboard to that and a plastic Mouse that's

wired okay and then do you also recommend because I've noticed that the

newer generations of laptops don't come with grounded plugs does that matter so

a grounded plug is just going to put whatever's at the at the panel into you

so the ground you know that little circle thing on the on the outlet the ground the

ground part of the of the outlet or the receptacle yep ends up at the same place

as the left Spade so the left Spade in the ground if we follow that

all the way back to your panel it would be connected together there and then we could go out to the

Transformer and they would be connected there is just an overload okay just an over it's just

it's just another it's not supposed to be but it's another current carrying conductor so it's theoretically supposed

to keep things from sparking and burning down but it doesn't protect you is thatt

line no no your your your your exposure will go way up if you start plugging yourself into that ground wire really

okay so prongs is better than three is that the case pardon me two prongs like

in a plug is better it doesn't just don't connect yourself to it okay don't plug it in use

it on battery power is that better that's the best that's the best okay good to know um okay so and some other

like practical tips let's say that somebody isn't as massively sensitive as you unfortunately turned out to be when

all of this began for you but theoretically I mean we're we're surrounded by EMF everywhere and it's

affecting all of us to some degree so some other practical things like use your computer on battery power if you

must and use the the plastic keyboard and plastic Mouse uh what are some other

things that just everybody can do to keep themselves as protected as they can without necessarily moving and getting

way off grid well I I love I love sterzer filters okay I love I use them

first and these are that those are dirty electricity filters yeah they they get the frequencies that go internal to the

to the body out of the electric field most likely but a lot of times people

will say oh they made me feel worse and then you go out there to the house and they Ed four and they were all in their bedroom okay You' got to do the entire

house oh well why would it make you feel worse if you do one room as opposed to multiple you'd still think that would be

a net positive right yeah well I don't know I know that I'm seeing in those

Nerf block papers the same frequencies as what's in the wall so are they

experiencing nerve block frequencies are they because I used to wake up with numb

hands and that's how I got into this looking for why is this affecting my nerves because my my hands would both be

numb and I wasn't laying on them so maybe it makes you feel good

some people say oh when I plug into the ground wire I feel better maybe they're

getting some nerve block I don't know I don't know so you're a fan of the dirty

electricity filters do you feel like somebody needs to to measure the level of dirty electricity before they do those or no oh yeah they might yeah yeah

yeah definitely and and you can't and you can't say well it was the dirty electricity that

or it you know these these these made things worse I've been to homes where they had a radio tower you know not that

far away and I was measuring that much higher than even their electric field and I told them

beforehand these filters aren't going to help you got it okay so if you it just

depends on whether you're treating the right thing basically yeah if you don't get rid of those frequencies you're not going to get results yeah that makes

perfect you've got to get you've got to get them off they've got to go and that's the first thing I do whereas other people other other experts

say oh no that's the last thing you should do and then you shouldn't use them and I know because I've been to homes

where they were using you know the the customer was using me and somebody else

and I i' I've seen what they do then they and then when it doesn't work then then when they don't get results they

they offer them pendants and geopathic stress and you have to heal the Earth and maybe throw some bones around or

something you know some crazy crazy stuff because they do look at these people as if they're crazy sometimes I

I've listened to them and they aren't they're feeling something the exposure

is there it's just you can't blame something else when you don't know how to measure properly or when you're not doing your job right so and along those

lines I'm not sure whether this is along those lines or not but this stickers you've seen all the stickers that say

block they don't work right no okay no they call they call it subtle subtle uh

oh sub I don't know you'd have to go to the website and see see their paper on it on their position on it whatever

subtle things or subtle energy yeah subtle energy oh okay yeah so so now

these people have a sticker on their phone and they put on their computer and they're safe when they're hurting themselves problem that makes now now

they've now they've taken their advice and they've and they put a grounding sheet on their bed and they're getting

the voltage you're getting all this exposure at night it's it's it's getting worse so you have a good customer right

you go out there every six months or something and you go heal the Earth or whatever my job you don't really make

that much money doing what I'm doing because if you do if you can get the job done right the first time you're never

back you never see him again unless unless they move right right unless they

move or something happened like they bought something you know like I've seen

I've seen little Transformers that were off brand uh for your for your phone and

they created horrible dirty electricity through throughout the house just one little wall wart they call them wall

warts destroyed the whole environment so I've been out there for that right where

they've added something yeah um and another thing I've read about a little bit here and there fite beads do you

have an opinion on these do they do anything as far as attenuation of EMF they they don't do anything for my

equipment nothing okay got it um what about EMF blocking clothing or some of

those like fairy day things for the bed are those useful at all well I used a

and I I don't have to anymore but if I'm in the city I love those Swift Shield

canopies they're awesome they've got silver in them but again they're a conductive surface so if you don't

totally eliminate the electric field within 8 to 10 ft of that you're not going to get results okay and then

sometimes the energy is so high that you've got to have either another canopy that's away from it or maybe some paint

on a wall that's that's that's absorbing some of that energy because they'll spark when you touch them so now people

are are being told to gow of this conductive surface on their body MH

well they there's what happens when they go into an electric field and they're wearing a conductive

surface so it can actually make things worse oh yeah oh yeah interesting I I I

tell my I tell all my clients to wear cotton cotton isn't conductive it

doesn't create static so whenever you're creating static with polyesters and and and and and nylons and things like that

you are creating a charge in your body and you're a capacitor you can hold like I think they said you can store up to

3,000 bolts my goodness and and and they've measured to

where they're still measure they're still finding voltage in a body even in

the morning so I tell everybody to take a shower before going to bed or stand on

some aluminum foil and dissipate that charge that you built up throughout the day even when you wake up in the middle

of the night due to a data dump have some aluminum for right there and just put them up on the bed put your feet on it and dissipate that charge that you

just built up in your body and that's what grounding was supposed to do but you don't need to do that yeah if you if

you research how to dissipate a a capacitor you just put a piece of metal between the two leads and that's your

feet and interesting so what have I not asked you that you want to make sure you

leave with our audience oh I don't I you know I don't know

um I don't know that's just my catchall question you don't have to have an answer well ask me any yeah too bad we

didn't have any callers or anything sure I know I know I'm sure there's lots of there's lots of extra questions that we've generated So speaking of which

where can people go to learn more about you and contact you if they want to well

my website's uh total emfs solutions.com and I do travel you know all over the

country worldwide um yeah that would be

that that that would be the best uh you know if they if they had somebody on the East Coast I would contact Dave ster

okay uh he's a really he's he's he's really good he's this guy spent uh

a a lifetime in this industry uh he was making really good money over at the

utility uh with the utility companies back east and when he got into helping people with these filters he lost all of

his employees except two or three he had like 20 and he's devoted he didn't care he

devoted his life and he lost a lot of money making these filters now there are

others out there and I think they're inferior I pulled them apart and I've

just seen how they're made and they just copied him they weren't electrical engineers um and then when you are

measuring dirty electricity make sure you get a a a STS riser microsurge meter

okay and uh yeah he's helped me out so much I I I wouldn't have been able to

get results in my life uh without him and his work and Sam S S excuse me Sam

milham Dr Sam milham MD mph spent a lifetime again researching electricity

dirty electricity has written over 200 papers on this stuff um you know I give

them the credit I'm just standing on his should their shoulder and Professor Martin Graham or Dr Martin

Graham out of a professor professor out of uh Berkeley he's passed away BR guy

you know he's has 48 technical patents and these are these

are things that we use in everyday appliances and computers how we get

internet over a phone wi phone line uh I think one of his uh patents is for the

guidance system for the ICBM missile part of it this is pyrometer yeah and uh

these guys they they did all the work and and I got to meet him um I got to

meet Sam milham when we hired him for a case as an expert witness here at the Arizona

Corporation Commission oh yeah get your smart meter taken off get your smart meter off yes right um You can do that

in most of Arizona APS it's $5 a month is in other parts of the country either

you can't get it taken off for it's 30 or 40 something ridiculous um but anyway I got to meet

him and and uh then I got to meet ster and really uh just followed their work

and followed their advice awesome well I will definitely find uh Dave star's information and

we'll link to that and to your website in the show notes as well and thank you this has been very enlightening and

educational for me and I'm sure for a lot of our listeners as well I appreciate it well I hope so yeah I hope

I I hope this helps everybody really I'm I'm not out here to uh you know make

money I'm just out here to get the information out I'm more of an activist first and it kind of made me you know if they had just taken that meter off the

side of my house none of this would have happened I would have yeah I would have been down the road yeah yeah but uh it's

it's big it's a big time problem uh we uh wrote about it in a docket talking

about how the how how there's going to be a pandemic and then covid came along

and there you know it got all the glory but nobody was talking about how the the

the EMF was or could be a problem going back to and and I don't mean to I know

we've got a few minutes here left so going back to the kertz frequencies

just remember they kill and they hurt yeah killer Hertz there thousands of HTS

so going back to the Spanish Flu in 1917 the main carrier wave for wireless

because they had Wireless back then these massive antennas you research it was like 20 khz 50 khz and they were

sparking it they were they were pulsing it so whenever you pulse this it really messes things up now I wasn't back I

wasn't there right but I do and I have heard of reports of taking blood from a

a sick person and exposing a healthy person to it and they couldn't get it to

you know they they couldn't get the same results so wood R Wilson actually signed

an executive order at the same time stopping all Wireless Communications

with ham radio operators and we were in a war back then so everybody was wondering what the heck is he thinking or doing and he was a sick president so

now you know now we're when now we're in the day of the smart Med met and we're into 5G and we've got just this exposure

everywhere uh it it takes a while for it to catch up to you and then when it does

you can't handle a flu there's an overload yeah absolutely I recently read

uh the invisible rainbow that was making that point of the the correlation between the pandemics and new release of

various different types of Wireless technology yeah yeah I think a lot of focus has got has been on wireless when

it's bad but it's the least of the exposure an electric field in a house to

give you an example just six volts per meter which is an average field of electric field when it's dirty is equal

to 100,000 microwatts per square meter goodness wow so six BTS per meter is

equal to 100 my my meter that I have and it's like you know a couple thousand dollar meter it only goes up to

20,000 and and I rarely see it hit that right yeah so if you don't take care of

that and I and I actually I actually uh I actually in a in a roundabout way I

was in uh that the author's house and he didn't like those

filters and he had some horrible dirty electricity horrible dirty electricity I

think that's the thing everybody's going after the wireless when in fact it's the grid and

you know the I'm making a lot of enemies with the with the most powerful entity

on the planet you know the utilities you know they they get their money no matter what right course yeah absolutely but

people need to know you know where they need to start looking so yeah yeah well thank you Paul this has been very very

fa fascinating and enlightening I appreciate your time well thank you for listening and and uh hopefully it helps

thanks so much all right

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