The Kingdom System - Interview with Charlie Lewis

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I'm very pleased to have Charlie Lewis with us

Charlie is a seasoned businessman entrepreneur author and expository teacher of scripture with over five

Decades of experience Charlie has not only Built a successful National Insurance business who works with more

than 25,000 Representatives but has also dedicated his life to sharing the values and principles with the established

precedents of faith that have guided him and led to his success together with his wife of over 55 years Fran Charlie has

cultivated a legacy of Entrepreneurship that extends to their sons Zachary and Nicholas and their families as an author

Charlie has penned a series of books that provide readers with a practical road map to success and fulfillment

grounded in scriptural principles Charlie's teachings have been translated into several languages making his insights of accessible to diverse

audiences worldwide Charlie resides in Thomasville Georgia welcome Charlie thanks for joining us thank you glad to

be here thanks for asking yeah so tell us a little bit about what the kingdom

system is what do you mean by that the kingdom system is uh the

government of Heaven uh when if you remember in Isaiah

9 verse 7 it said when uh Messiah Yeshua

came that the government would be on his shoulders and he would

deliver that goes back to a predominant theme of scripture that

somehow I missed all of my life and I hope you caught it but I didn't

so and it and it really changed my life when I found out uh that what the

central theme of what Christ talked about when he was on the Earth was government and governance mostly

governance yeah because you know that's what the kingdom of God is

the government and governance from heaven interesting so and how does that

potentially relate to a believer's life how did that understanding change you well in my life and in most people

that I I've taught this it it changes everything okay it's a different

Paradigm yeah we have uh been taught all of our life that

God uh is a very religious person in

fact when he came to the Earth in the person of Jesus Christ he was the most religious person that ever lived on the

earth and the truth is that's not scriptural right back when God was on

the earth in the person of Jesus Christ he had more difficulty with

religious people right yeah than any other group and why because he wasn't

religious enough he did all of the things in their s so many amazing

examples in scriptures that somehow we Overlook and so we approach God like

he's a religious person and God is not religious in any way what you find out

is that God is relational and he in the garden there

was no religion and when he started his relationship with man was one of

fellowship and communion and somehow religion has gotten in there and kind of

hijacked relationship and replaced it with religion so in this context you're

defining religion as the law like the list of dos and don'ts is that true well

yeah I I like to say regulation and compliance got it yeah okay because what

what uh you know religion draws the parameters you got a A Very uh definable

distinct box with all the parameters outlined and as

long as you stay in that box you're okay but the truth is that's not correct God

doesn't fit in our box right yeah he never does and so when we have that

relationship that's based on man's interpretation of the box then we find

ourselves so many times in situations where God doesn't

fit in that box sure yeah right and and we we uh we look to that for strength

but we find out that God is relational he want and there was there's kind of a

I'm not a big formula person I don't you know there people that I get

their emails and stuff on and they've got 10 points to everything sure yeah

right and that kind of turns me off because I don't think it can be defined that way God told me that

relationship requires Fellowship you can know a lot about God which a lot of

people do but to know God you have to be in relationship with

him and relationship requires Fellowship Fellowship requires time

spent together and time spent together requires that you give the time you know

there's a scripture that I guess when the Holy Spirit God was want to Quicken

this to me uh Matthew particularly Matthew 6 is

such a a pivotal uh where Jesus was talking and

and he covered so many of the fundamentals nothing religious in that chapter it's all fundamental stuff about

relationship right yeah and do you remember where he said uh that when he

was traveling he was moved with compassion mhm because he and I like to

read a lot of translations to see if I can Gan something different right but he

said uh he was moved with compassion

because the people didn't know him and they were searching for how to find him

and they didn't know where to look right and so he was moved not with

passion right but with compass passion in other words his Spirit was touched

not just his mind just the observation but he had a a spirit and a relationship

with people and he was he was disturbed because they didn't really knowing and

they didn't know he said they didn't know where to look they were like sheep without Shepherds sure they didn't know

where to look to find you yeah and one of the things in your bio that kind of

interests me as you said I've been married uh over 55 years to a very

amazing beautiful lady and very smart and uh FR is a a

detail person she's a graduate gemologist which means yeah and and so

we had stores we had she had she just retired a couple years ago she had 15

stores jewelry stores from Texas to Colorado and all of that but but she's a

detailed person well she in her health care since that's what you do she was

diagnosed with an acoustic neuroma a tumor inside of her brain but

the process of getting to that was so so challenging because she she

received several incorrect diagnosis before they finally got to there she

went uh she was losing a hearing her hearing which is a sign of that and uh and so

she went to the uh eent guy and and I

know this is probably not kind and I probably shouldn't say it but but he

said uh you're getting old oh goodness that happens that

excuse that gets that happens when you get old I said I don't buy that

I so she went to her to another doctor and he sent her to a

Cardiologist and she had to wear this uh monitor for 30

[Music] days and uh so they tried to uh diagnose

her with aib and with all this different stuff you know because during the time

she wore that we had the most tragic accident of our life we had our

14-year-old grandson who transitioned from an accident and and was gone and

she's wearing this monitor so you can bet she was having some reaction but

anyway something you said she said she said don't tell me about how to treat

the symptoms absolutely I want to know what the issue is right so that I can

know how to do it and finally a friend of personal friend who is in ER doctor who helps us and he said friend I'm

going to do a I want you to go have a you know x-ray C card whatever you do

have your head MRI and they found the tumor yeah and so you made the comment

that that you don't like to treat the symptoms you want to know the tour well see that's how I see what the books that

I've written are about we have lived our lives treating the

symptoms yeah and there is a cure God has a perfect plan for how that we

address the frustrations and the defeat that we have trying to live a

religious life religious won't religion won't do it and and Doctrine I mean we

have to be in a living relationship with the Living God well how do we do that

does it make makes sense that the God who created heaven and earth and all things and and has such an amazing

system as uh as Ecclesiastes 3:11 said he made everything beautiful in time

well good Lord I'm sitting here at my office and this is one of the most beautiful settings I look out and there

lakes all around me and manicured grounds because that's who we are but

it's beautiful and I look at the things that God created and they're

beautiful but but then he goes to the next thing and he says but he

also planted eternity and men's spirit and men's mind

as an implanted sense of purpose working Through the Ages which

nothing Under the Sun or in time will satisfy except knowing god and knowing

that purpose Jesus said predominantly my people suffer great harm because they

don't know me knowledge yeah see we know the symptoms of what's wrong but we

don't understand how to address it so that we can cure it so that we can walk

whole and that's what he provided in the kingdom system

so and how does that understanding of relationship with God through what Jesus

did for us how how does that translate into a governmental system that can influence how we live our lives like in

business in government practically what's what would be different in terms of well that would play out first of all

we have to re we realize that God is not religious and he doesn't accept

religious worship I mean he pretty says that he says God is spirit and they that worship Him must worship him out of are

from their Spirit he says that is the kind of worship that true worshippers

will offer him well our spirit as you study in the triun of man our spirit is

the Eternal component of who we are now and forever our spirit Never Dies right

and we have to understand that God said the way we communicate and fellowship

with him is through that Eternal component of our makeup we're Spirit

mind and body right but the where God lives and where God

dwells and where God mixes and mingles with humanity is in their Spirit Eternal part of who they are so

if God's not religious then we go and they've made his word religious and his

word's not religious and this is really where the change the new paradigm and the new

Dynamic really exists we have made thep scriptures

religious and about regulation and compliance and there's a common belief

among all so many that they're too honorous for us to even ever meet up

with we can't live by them they're too overbearing we just can't do that but

that's not correct you see when Jesus taught on the when he was on the earth

as Emmanuel God With Us he he mentioned and the central theme and the primary

message of Christ was the kingdom of God he taught me that because I I he

began to lead me I didn't learn any of this through Seminary I didn't learn any of this through church God taught me

this through business because I'm an entrepreneur right that's what I do

right and I was facing some things that I didn't understand and God began to teach me about the kingdom

well he spoke about the kingdom more than 130 times and he spoke about the church

three times yeah but somehow we've reversed that we speak a lot more about the

church then we do the kingdom and that's not the way God presented it so the

king the word of God is not religious either it's relational okay well let's

let's see how that fits into what we're talking about here

U so as I begin to to study that uh that

sixth chapter of uh of uh Matthew just is just I could live there I think

because it is so full of practical life and how to do it and and Jesus began by

saying check your motivation out why are you doing what you're doing and and and are you doing it to be

seen or you're doing it because of a relationship and then he goes I've kind of wrapped it up the way he explained it

to me our lives are not to be asset based and time

driven in search of income or money but

our lives are to be purpose-based yep and Eternity driven abut and search him

his outcome for us right and so I'm assuming that part of where what grabbed

you as far as the business concerns or perspective in Matthew 6 was when Jesus was saying seek first the kingdom and

all the things that God wants and he's gonna add all this stuff he's gonna give you all the other stuff it's so to me I

I don't call I have over time I I don't call the scriptures the

Bible I I do sometimes in the environment where I think it's necessary but I I call it the scriptures or I call

it the Great Book of learning and I call it the book of priorities yeah because that's what it

is from cover to cover the scriptures are about they

present the story of two kingdoms from from Genesis through

Revelation it presents two kingdoms one king one who wants to be king and the

epic battle for Humanity yep absolutely that's what it presents right and the

epic battle the way it's taught in scripture is about

governance and it always begins with self-governance yeah

and and we have have allowed uh the

worldly government to get in there and the systems of the world to take over if

you read uh Hebrews 12 in the passion

translation it's all about systems of the world and what God's plans are for

those systems and what we have to understand is God has a plan that is a plan for

victory it it does make sense that God would come and pay the price and and do the sacrifice that he did and then he

would leave us here in this world at the whim of the person he defeated right

absolutely and that we had no recourse and that we didn't have Authority or power over him well how do we do that do

you remember the story of the Shrew servant as a business person that

annoyed me yeah I can imagine I was really I would talk to God and I'd say I

don't get this here this guy was dishonest right he stole he he he lied

he did all this stuff and you look at your disciples and say he understands

you know he's smarter in his ways than you are in yours right and I said I don't get that I'm born again spirit

filled and I love you and I have a how is he wi and what the Lord said to me

was he understands his system he knows how to operate in his

system and how to use his system to his advantage people don't even know they have a

system huh so it's not necessarily that you're supposed to emulate what this shrewd servant did it was that he

understood the principles and he used them to get the outcome he desired well

he understand how the systems of the world works right yeah and that was what he was a part of well we're a part of

the kingdom of God but we don't understand how that works how do we engage that most of us first of all

don't even know that it's there and that's what it's there for yeah so okay so so tying in what I think

I'm hearing as far as like the the kingdom system and also government it sounds like the very first thing to get

clear is who's in charge and put that in the right place and as soon as you do that and you make the first thing the

first thing the expectation that if you follow the lordship of the one who leads

you that everything else is going to fall into place he's going to take care of all of your needs and he's going to bless the things that you do is that a

fair summary that's that's that's pretty accurate yeah yeah that's accurate we we

cannot uh accept the lies that we've been told by religion that we have to

that it's just part of life that we get our behinds kicked all the time yes I agree by the devil absolutely it's just

it's just not yeah I'm a father and a grandfather and I'll tell you I would

not allow my kids to get their behind skick if I knew how to tell them not to

yeah so and how does this concept of submitting to the lordship of Jesus then

lead to the concept of authority over the enemy and what is that translate to

well there is so much in there that that talks about that but first of all

uh there's aw toer made a statement he said the first thing that comes to your

mind when you think about God is the most important thing about you

oh that's interesting huh so how do we see God uhuh yeah we see God as the the guy who

who came down and and provided salvation but he didn't do restoration see he he he gave us uh

Redemption and and we're going to make it to Heaven is the goal of this that

we're studying to get to heaven Jesus didn't say that Jesus

taught us to call heaven to the Earth that's right absolutely what what does he say in the prayer th Kingdom done

where thy will be done Earthen yep so that's what God taught us and he he says

so many things in Scripture that we are supposed to experience they're supposed

to be as Watchman KNE used to say if it's not experiential it's it's no good

to you and the way the Lord taught me you can have all the knowledge out there you can know about God but until you

know how to make it active in your own life and engage it for your benefit

Proverbs says knowledge without wisdom profits you little so we have to

know yeah how to engage it how do we engage it do you remember when Jesus was

casting out demons and they accused him of doing it by be El aboutuh right do

you remember what he said that the house divided against itself cannot stand yeah

but then he also said if I do this by the Finger of God which means man has

nothing to do with this this is something that God has provided and it's here if I do this by the Finger of God

then the kingdom of God has come and it's among you and it's at your

access so what you understand is that the kingdom of God is Humanity's m

multidimensional power connection to Heaven's realm interesting yeah and I

think so many of us don't have that concept or else it isn't taught that

Jesus gave us his authority he told us Absolut he went back he said we tread

upon serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall

by any means for but we walk around defeated because we don't know him we

know about him you know I I told a in the book I I gave an example Fran and I

having been married for more than 50 years and I said you know uh if we had got married

on the day that we got married I took Fran home to a beautiful home and I said

okay this is your house you live here and you stay here but you don't come out

unless I go get you and bring you out and I'm GNA come by maybe on Sundays

and I'll spend a couple hours with you but I'm not going to talk to you I'm not going to fellowship with you I'm GNA

listen to somebody else tell me about you right and then maybe during the week

I'll come by and spend some more time with you but again I'm not GNA fellowship and talk to you I'm going to

listen to somebody else tell me about you that wouldn't have been much of a relationship and I never would have made

it more than 55 years because there is a

action and an interaction and the whole of the kingdom system operates in that

Dynamic where there's an action and a reaction in our whole life it's not

about regulation and compliance it's about choice and that's what the kingdom system when you understand that you

engage Heaven yeah you know we don't enter into a relationship with God at all on this Earthly plane we have to

engage Heaven what did Lord tell Nicodemus unless you are born again

unless you are redeemed you cannot see and you cannot experience it's not

Earthly talents and gifts and abilities it's the engag in heaven and bringing heaven to the Earth to your situation

yeah yeah so it's where we get our relationship right that you have every

spiritual gift already available to you but it's in it's there and we have to bring it how how how do you see the

conception or possibly the misconception of God's sovereignty among Christians

playing into the way that they believe that things can happen in

their lives well sometimes we use that as an excuse God knows sure he knows

sure but he also gave you a plan of how to address it he doesn't address it for

you if he did uh we be robots you know they say why is there

evil because if there wasn't evil we wouldn't have a choice right absolutely so we have a choice and God gives us and

it salvation is there for everybody he said it was his will that none would

perish but all would have everlasting life but he doesn't just give you

Redemption you have to make the choice you believe in your heart you confess

with your mouth and you experience heaven in your life forever from that moment in time and place

forward eternity becomes your reference point yeah but we miss it we we enter

that Kingdom and we back close the door and back up against it and say yeah I don't want to get too deep in this now

could be religious but it's not religious it's relational there are so many things in the scripture where God

performed miraculous things but we think it was for them they're

different than us right right you know the thing about God God is unchanging he is the same yesterday

today and forever and his kingdom is unshakable that's the way he describe it

is steadfast and those are the two things that we're looking for in sovereignty God has power but he also

gives you the choice yes if you want to get through life just get your behind

kicked every time you turn around he'll let you yeah but he has provided a way

that you can engage Heaven call Heaven to Earth and walk in that power and authority that he has provided for you

oh there's joy there's peace what he describes for us in

scripture I would read that and say well that's a great idea I wish I could do

that right yeah but it is there and it is accessible when you understand what

it is how it works and how it is to be a part of our our total life the kingdom of God

the government of Heaven and the governance provided by that kingdom is all

inclusive there's not a an area or a facet of our life that God doesn't have

a kingdom a Redemptive Kingdom plan for our life for our profession for our uh

worship of him for everything God you know when he said in Psalms 139 he says

every day of your life was written in my book before the first day began before

the first day passed well if you're religious I grew

up thinking what that meant was God was really concerned about religious and my religious service to

him and that's not at all we can't look at the people that God

CHS and believe that he was a religious God yeah I mean look at what look at

Daniel look at David look at uh Peter look at all of them I mean we wouldn't

let him in our churches much less let them preach yeah because they they don't fit

the religious mole we have that's what I'm saying and that's what God shown me God's not religious his word's not

religious and it's relational and that's what he wants with us is a living breathing flowing relationship of

constant fellowship and communion Spirit to Spirit and breath to breath and it

will change everything in your life and when you make it first as you said what

happens I in one of the books I wrote I wrote a series that God gave me called uh uh I

named it who am I but I took the five questions that that God gave it identity

who am I origin where did I come from purpose why am I here moral compass how

am I supposed to live and then the forever herea those were the five questions that are a part of our DNA

that we look for sure when I began to look into that and to

and to see uh what God said about that there was nothing religious about it I

would study the successful people in our life that we all admire I mean Thomas

Edison brilliant he figured out his call and his gifting and he did amazing Henry

Ford I I could go down the list because I looked at them all Steve

Jobs and we somehow make that religious we make it that it's something that uh

you know we get from uh going to church and all of that when in reality it's a

living relationship with everything in your life so from a a practical and

personal e experience for you you said that your Paradigm completely changed

you had this religious par Paradigm for a while and then eventually you came to understand how the kingdom works and

that changed you from a personal perspective I'm sure but also from a business standpoint absolutely what

happened like what did things look like before and how did they look after you came to that understanding well we are

taught so much uh conventional wisdom is what I like to

call it what the world teaches is the systems of the world they teach us that

debts the way to go debts a Scourge on Humanity it's evil and we Jesus said we

we shouldn't have debt well just like so many of the other things that we have

accepted and believ we have a great ability to rationalize and to justify those things but that's not true we have

to realize that God has a plan for us that includes success that doesn't

include debt The Borrowers the servant of the lender yeah that's it and and so

many other things but I'll give you some examples I would be in uh in

business there were some things that I I was trying to I was seeking how I should go about it and

conventional wisdom told me I'd do this and I and the Holy Spirit spoke to my

spirit and said do just the opposite and told me what to do and I said no wait a minute wait a minute

that doesn't even make sense right and and and the Lord said it does make sense and when I would

do that and there have been there have been major significant decisions that

I've made in business that totally uh conf conflicted with and contradicted

conventual wisdom from the systems of the world and they turned out amazing we went through the we went

through the 2000 depression recession whatever it was and

we prospered every month was greater than the month before I had a man that came and felt like God had told him to

come work with us and help us with our mission in the ministry and he said how are you going

to deal with the economy how are you going to deal with what's going on out there and all this I said we just don't

participate yeah amen I said just not a part of that system that's right I'm

following a different directions because God gives specific directions for

everything in our life and he gives it through his word and through his spirit

I mean he speaks clearly to us when we learn to listen yeah absolutely and we learn that

relationship Dynamic Fellowship time spent together and giving him time had

people who said Charlie you're that's crazy you you hear from God in techn

color and I don't even hear in black and white I said no I said not really but I

said I'm GNA ask you something but I don't want to offend you I just want you to answer me I said how much time do you

spend with God exactly yeah I said how much time do you fellowship with him and

communion with him and ask him do you give him the opportunity do you listen right because the scripture says we hear

and we recognize the voice of the Good Shepherd that's right we hear and we

know our father's voice and the voice of a stranger we will not

follow and I I I have and I'm not a

a I'm not an overly religious person I hope I'm not religious at all but I

don't want to be I want to be relational and I want to teach people don't worry about how you cross your you

know the two things that Jesus said he said the two most important

things in the world are that you love me and that you love your neighbor so what he's saying is love

Mercy do do what's right not what man says is right but what my word and my

spirit tell you right and and I'm convinced everybody that ever enters

this planet knows right and wrong because there's a a voice that is in

there that God put in there and we know I don't have to tell the guy who's

drinking or doing drugs or running around on his wife I don't have to tell him that's wrong he knows he knows it's

wrong right God's telling him I'm not the convictor I'm the I'm the lover

right yeah so God said that I'm to I am to love him and to love my neighbor and

be the best that I can be for God but also my second primary is to help that

person be the best that they can be they may not do it right there's some people

that their Doctrine and the way they look at things just tilts my spirit I go

oh no but I've learned Lord I you said judge not you told me to love and you

told me to display be a witness and make disciples by my witness and by the

proper teaching of your word God has provided a system that is intricate in

detail and it functions in perfect order yeah everything that God

creates operates in a system yeah think about it and it operates in a perfect

order yep so when my life's out of order I know I'm in the wrong system yeah that

does that make sense sure absolutely and it also seems like I mean the the perspective of as you from a practical

standpoint apply counterintuitive logic like the opposite of what the world you

but you're following what the Lord is leading you to it also requires faith for us to say okay you know better than

we do how this system is set up and I think a lot of times in churches when we

talk about money at all always in the context of giving which is good but I think one of the things that we miss is

that yeah we're supposed to we're supposed to give out of a cheerful heart but part of the reason is because we're

supposed to trust that he's the one who made it all and if you give he's gonna

give back to you press down shaking together running over like there's this expectation of this is not the way that

it if if you don't think you have enough money to give away but you do it anyway you are showing that there's a trust in

the one who made the money as opposed to trust the money absolutely absolutely

the I teach a lot on giving because people equate giving with money but

giving is really the transference of value right absolutely so what have you got what has God given to you what gifts

talents and abilities obviously yours is in the field of medicine that you have

chosen God has given us this ability to give to others M

and one of the things that that seems to really help that resonate I say if your

earning plan is not to fulfill your giving plan then you're operating in the

wrong Kingdom amen yes absolutely so giving

precedes receiving right right but we the religious concept of that is hey

uh what I've got left over I'm going to give God I'm going to give some I mean I

went through that many years I would give generously but then sometimes I I

would not tithe you know and and the Lord said you know

uh whatever you want me to bless you give it to me and I said whoa okay so my

gifts my talents my ability the transfer of value what I what God has given me

that is value valuable to other people to enhance their life see that's where

the second book in this series is called Kingdom nomics the Dynamics of conduct

Behavior everything operates by Dynamics and what is the dynamic the dynamic is a

a system of competing and conflicting forces where our choice of conduct

Behavior contains within itself the inertia that takes us to a predetermined

outcome can you rephrase that that last uh Dynamics is an interactive

system uhuh interactive of competing and conflicting

forces uhuh we get to choose and our choice contains within it

the inertia built in oh religious take

religious supervision because you make the choice the design of God is you're getting the

outcome right right yeah the man who's watching pornography at night nobody may

know it the man who's stealing money from his boss or from whoever nobody May

ever know that but he's gonna get that outcome because it is the design of the

Creator yeah so there's a system that is going to determine what the consequences are ultimately going to be even if

they're you can know them beforehand sure yeah laen you can know them beforehand and then the last book in

that Ser is the series is deployment that's why we're not here uh

trying to figure it out to make it work and to develop God has a written plan for each of our life and he has he has

put within us the ability to bless other people him first than other people so

that they can accomplish that's right a plan for their life absolutely absolutely I love it very cool yeah I I

do think that this understanding needs to be brought forth much more I don't

there's a certain amount of understanding of Grace I think in the church depending on which church you're

going to some of them are very legalistic and some of them less so but even if you understand this idea of you

are accepted under the grace of what Jesus did for you the translation of

okay what did he purchase he didn't just save you so that you go to heaven you're supposed to occupy until he comes he's

got a purpose and a plan for you and you have authority and we're supposed to go conquer you know take the territory like

the Israelites did in the giant to the Giants it's all about deployment not employment right life is to be about

deployment right right which is a totally different perspective yeah and see when you get the system how it op

Ates and how you engage it for your life and to help Humanity right it changes

the Paradigm that we all have about God of why you do what you do too yeah you

know the other thing that uh another one of my favorite sayings and I don't know

anything about aw toer I just like these he just got his little snapshot yeah he

said uh anything that God has ever done before he can do again amen yes

absolutely and he said anything that God has ever done

anywhere he can do here and you're heing now right anything God has done ever

done for anybody he could do for you that changes

everything God did so many amazing things in scripture and he does so many

amazing things today but we have been dumbed down and we don't recognize the

Miracles of our life we live in uh Hurricane Alley uh the last

two hurricanes headed straight for us and through our prayer and through our

in taking the authority that God's gave gave us you can watch them on the radar

when they got to to us they turned and dissipated they still did a lot of

damage right but they didn't do what they what Satan wanted him to do right

yep absolutely we have authority in that realm see Paul one of my favorite places in

scripture uh when he was uh uh in a in Athens I've been there and I went to

that place where the uh Monument to the unknown God was you remember that yeah

and he was such a diplomat now Paul's not noted for being a diplomat right but he goes before the leaders Athens excuse

me he goes for the leaders of the Cities he said you guys are so serious about

your God right and he said you've got so many monuments and so many great things

honoring your God he said I even saw one to an unknown God he said let me tell

you about that God he said he is uh our God is alive he

is the creator of all things he is the owner and the lord of the Heavenly realm

and the Earthly realm and he doesn't live in temples made by man right he

said he gives life and breath to all living things and he said he doesn't

lack a thing that we humans can give to him for he has everything that he needs

right and he from one man made every man and woman and every race of humanity and

spread us over all the Earth he has done this he said he he

sets the time and the appointed time of people and nations in the world and he

said he has done this so that we would long for him look for him find him and

enter into it a relationship with him because he's the god who's easy to find

absolutely so that's who God is but we don't see that way and we've got to get

God back on the throne and get religion out of the way and get into that living breathing flowing relationship with the

Living God where he speaks constantly does we pass people every day in our

life who are desperate who are so I mean Jesus couldn't walk down the

street without people you know and the discip Les couldn't well that's where we've got to be we've got to be in that

relationship and not in religion where oh Lord look at him I don't want to talk to him look at her oh Lord the woman at

the well Mar I mean live with five different

men but see she o Jesus operated in eternity and he she asked him all these

questions about her situation her circumstances and her relationships in

time they were everyone in time he never answered her in time at all he always

took her to Eternity and her eternalness well that's what he wants for you and I

how do we engage that through this system that he's provided for us yep absolutely so sorry for getting wound up

but no absolutely absolutely so is there anything that I have not asked you that

you want to make sure you leave with our audience well

you've done a good job so I don't know but I would say I would say what I want

people to know that uh God wants to be in a living relationship with you more than anything amen and and he he's not

the big sheriff in the sky with a 10- foot six shooter waiting for you to mess

up to shoot you out of the saddle God loves you just like we he you know

another thing as I alluded to earlier I don't call us Christians because he never did you know what he called

us sons and daughters so we are family we're in the

family of God and religion teaches us to try to qualify to try to be worthy do

you know what he said you talked about Grace do you know what he said in Jeremiah 1

and5 before I formed you in the womb I knew you that means we existed right

that our eternity has three components before here here and then Hereafter he

said I knew you and the next thing he said is I approved of you as my chosen

instrument yep see God has a plan for you and it involves knowing him not

knowing about him being in a living flowing breathing relationship Spirit to

Spirit and breath to breath and he will take us one thing God told me when he

began teaching me this as a businessman he knew how to talk to me

right and he began to teach me about the kingdom and I didn't know anything about

it I'm I'm not from that place I don't you know we don't have designated

kingdoms although we have a lot of them and I said uh I don't know Lord is is

that what you want me to understand your kingdom what it is how it works and how we engage it he said said Charlie he

said you've had a measure of success he said people will look at you and say

that you are successful I want you to know that you haven't touched the

success that I have planned for you and you never will until you understand my

system and how it works wow so that's what I want Humanity to know yeah we're

frustrated we're defeated and that's not God's plan for us it's not even real

reasonable for us to accept that when he has provided so much more lavishly

and so graciously for us right and I want to see billions of people come to

know him and know him intimately and personally through the method that he

provided through his kingdom and his because what did it say after it said

seek first his kingdom and then it says his righteousness then it says his way

of doing and being right amen yes God wants us to know right and where can

people go to learn more about you and to pick up your books well uh Charlie Lewis

just like it sounds Donnet and ksam which is Kingdom school and Ministry K

sam.net you can get the uh books and we have new versions new

things coming out it's going to be the first of year and we'll be introducing all three of these books in the system

and what I call that system is God's Redemptive plan for governance perfect

awesome well thank you so much I will link to that in the show notes and appreciate the conversation this has been really

insightful well thank you thank you for asking thank you

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