Interview with Dave Stetzer on Dirty Electricity

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I'm very thrilled to have Dave ster with us Dave

has been an electrician by training education and experience for over 30 years he joined the United States Air

Force attended electronic school at keyler Air Force Base at the time the world's number one electronic school and

was given top secret military clearance as much of the electronic equipment he worked on was and Still Remains highly

classified in 1975 Dave founded ster Electric Incorporated specialized in power control in Industry municipalities

and motor control centers focusing his attention on power quality analysis and troubleshooting this led to the founding

of ster Consulting LLC and the development of the stetzerizer or Graham ster filter and micr surge meter in

conjunction with the late professor Martin Graham Dave has been an Institute of electrical and electronics Engineers

IE member since 2000 for his extensive and exemplary work and research Dave was

nominated for and now holds the I senior member status welcome Dave thanks so much for joining

us no thanks for having me yeah okay so I'd love for you to define the

difference for our audience between dirty electricity and other types of EMF is it kind of qualitatively different or

is it kind of more the same what's the difference Well normally when we talk about uh EMF we're talking about

electric fields and magnetic fields that's like a a force that kind of

travels through space through to electricity um it's high frequency transits that are

on your power line if you remember in the old days you don't remember because you're too young but uh when we bought

the computers when we had computers and stuff first came out you always had your computer technician over there because

he well it was a spike that on line you know basically what it is is a transient

it's a like a extra voltage Spike that comes in and it takes out your chips

well then the computer happens so much that the Saima computer business and

manufacturers Association they said well let's let's redesign a chip so they all they got what they call it Saima curve

and you have to be able your chips have to take a certain amount of voltage for a certain amount of time but uh like

Martin Graham who used to say well we can't redesign a person we can redesign a chip yeah so but it affects people and

what happens is the dirty electricity if you go back to your seventh grade science uh remember the

periodic table you had the atom with the electrons you know neutrons you know okay okay so you got these electrons

they're negatively charged particles so if there's a positive transet going in

the positive direction that's on the building's wires and the electrons in your body are kind of attracted to it so

they start moving toward that they don't leave your body and it's not going through space sure but they get attracted they start moving well then of

course it goes goes negative well then they move back and forth so you actually it's called capacitive coupling that's

how it works and you actually get this current flow in your body interesting so

I was under the impression I guess what I thought of is dirty electricity sounds like it must only be a part I thought

that it was when the electricity that's coming into the house there's a bottleneck when it needs to be stepped up or stepped down for a particular

device so it sounds like that creates a bottleneck and maybe that's a piece of it but really it's more The Surge when

you have a Spike here and there is that true or did I understand there's multiple spikes on on the line I mean

it's dirty okay but you're kind of right you just need a little clarification here okay okay so it comes in and we

have 120 volts or 240 coming into our house okay so we have a computer that's

running on DC current okay so we have to take that 120 volts and turn it into you

know 9 volts 12 volts or whatever our devices are 5 volts you know DC

so what we do is the the current has this big sine wave right and so we use

just portions of it we're turning it on and off and we create it's called a switch mod power supply and in order to

change AC to DC we have this problem and things like well like a Dell computer

for example a tower that'll put 16.5 kertz back on the wires Apple Computers

put 12.5 khz back on the wires you know smart meters which is

really bad they the transmitted signal now has to be transmitted so we have to

have a DC circuit for it so that'll put 50 kilohertz back on the wires okay okay

so all right and then so once it's back on the wires then it does what to our physiology why is this a problem for us

well then it propagates over long distances it's there it's dirty power some of going the phrase We Roll a paper

on it Martin Graham did on called a ubiquitous PL gluten but uh from UC

Berkeley but what it is is a high frequency Transit it affects the body or people's body and it's on all the wires

compact fluorescent lights for example light dimmer switches things like that but in in a in a city for example you

know uh will'll have like maybe one transformer for eight or 10 houses so

you can be in one house and you can go over to another house and Vary the dimmer switch and you can see the levels

change in your house so you see it it's all tied together the grid is interconnected and so you can say well I

don't have a smart meter but yeah but if your neighbors do you're still getting affected or if you got a computer or a

light dimmer switch and your neighbors don't you're still affecting them okay okay and so when you talk about

affecting what does this mean from a physiological standpoint like what kinds of symptoms do we see what's what's

happening to the physiology that leads to the symptoms well I'm not a medical doctor okay but I

went to Russia and I spent a lot of time with some of them and professors of medicine because they have the same

issue okay and the Russians made weapons with this stuff okay and so you've heard

of like uh that Havana syndrome you know the ringing in your ears things like

that well usually you can find 50 kohtz when you get the tentis or ten tentis or

tonight is that so and i' I've always found the 50 kertz on the line and so but the

United States DAV did a lot of research and so did the Air Force as well and

most of that stuff was classified but they have Declassified it now so they've got uh you know like the symptoms are

quite lengthy you know but it affects different people in different ways and again a lot of its frequency specific

okay okay but you know headache dig nausea difficulty breathing you know uh

insomnia fatigue muscle spasms pressure inner behind the eyes you know heart

palpitations you know they got it like respiratory things like that in in fact if you look at um chronic fatigue

syndrome which there's no known cause or cure right fibromyalgia no known cause

or cure ADD ADHD no known cause or cure

they are the exact same symptoms as radio wave sickness interesting they overlay which

radi wave sickness there's a known cause and a known cure right right so it's exposure to higher frequencies so if we

went in and we remove those higher frequencies if people get batter then clearly there's that's the

cause you want to show that a causes B in science you remove a b goes away away

right sure there you go so okay so then um the fact that as you were describing

that the flow of electrons they're attracted to something that's positively charged our body runs on currents so

does this largely happen as a result of disruption of ions like they're in the wrong place or they're they're flowing

in the wrong way or something along those lines well there's been a lot of research on that yeah but you got to

remember your body runs on current you're absolutely right but it's DC current direct current where the

electrons go from a negative charge to a positive charge okay so if you got a uh

cancer cell starting to grow on your ovary okay there's a signal that goes from your ovary up to your brain says hey there's something here that doesn't

belong okay so the brain says well let me check it out so it sends a signal back and it says okay that's right I'll

send something down there to kill it okay so that's always the electrons are moving in One Direction okay DC current

now the dirty electricity or uh you know emfs things like that is AC current

alternating so like charges repair hell un likee Char just a track so okay so

now we introduce the AC we interrupt those signals okay yeah the other thing

that we noticed okay and Dr Sam milham who's done some world famous epidemiology he done some research at

the Olympia Washington library he took 12 people and he checked the the

neurotransmitters in their urine now you don't want to have any neurotransmitters in your urine that information we're

talking about that's being transmitted it's transmitted on neurotransmitters is like the electrical

grid of your immune system but now they nobody had less than 300

neurotransmitters coming out in Ur for 12 weeks cleaned up the electrical

environment and they check people for the next 12 weeks okay but within eight hours nobody had more than three

neurotransmitters in their urine so could be is it affecting you know the neurotransmitters where the signals

aren't getting there I we've had people with autoimmune diseases and then soon as you clean up their electrical

alignment their immune system goes back to work yeah and I thought it was really interesting and when he mentioned that

that he specifically was saying that it was the norepinephrine and the epinephrine that were on the low side which implies that you're depleting your

catacol meines because you're super stressed out by the fact that your body is exposed to all of this find that very

interesting as well um so what what might somebody look at in their

environment in order to say How likely is it that this is a problem for me I mean what what kind of just visually I

know sometimes you just have to measure but if is there are there any things you can specifically say that's going to be

a dirty environment well modern day electronic devices okay in 1972 we had a an oil

embargo so we had to get more energy efficient so we started using current in a different manner we started chopping

it up we used variable speed frequency drives where you went energy efficient lighting uh you know things like that

interesting yeah so yeah so we had to go yeah so in chopping this up this sine wave we created the dirty electricity or

higher frequencies okay wow okay now we have energy efficient lighting so if you walk into a building and you're looking

you know that's a good question okay but where I really even myself I'm affected

by it but if I have to go to like schools or Office Buildings like a computer lab is the worst place for me

you know because you got you're surrounded by all these electronic equipment people who work in like off

like I feel sorry for the the girls at school or you know they they they try to make

things as efficient as they can for them so people come in to pay the lunch money they got a computer in front of them they got copy machines behind them they

got all this electronic equipment in this you know and so then they wonder why they have migraines and they you

know they're really sick and things like that so but if you got a modern day electronic equipment I mean there's

hardly anybody that doesn't have it and nobody is putting in non energy effic

icient lighting and things like that like LEDs they're terrible okay they put

62.5 khz back on every wire in the in the

building so one question I have is about so traditional quote unquote EMF so the

the electric fields and the magnetic fields decrease exponentially as you get away from the source correct like as far

as how it's going to affect your body so but dirty electricity is different because it runs on the wires can you is

that true the the electricity is on the wire but it's higher frequency okay okay

so when we're looking at uh for example if you got something you draw two amps you might get four milligals if you're

just put your gal meter right next to it okay right but if you move four inches away it drops to zero but you're looking

at the 60 Cycle field so that's like you have a Gul meter you're looking at the 60 hertz okay you know like power line

frequency things like that but it's sort of like I use an example okay

an analogy of going to Mexico and drinking the water and you get sick in Mexico right right so then you say well

gee water makes you sick but the guy in in New York says I'm drinking you know

10 glasses a day and I don't get sick so who's lying here neither one right so

that's what what Graham and I did is we said okay how can this be so we we use an oscilloscope we always use Scopes and

we can actually it's like a microscope okay so we're saying hey wait a minute this isn't good clean electricity

there's something on it these higher frequencies okay and energy is proportionate to frequency that's

Plank's law same as oh and all that right so now we have this high frequency energy that's on the wires and that can

go farther okay okay got it there's more energy there see and so it's

like so like going back to that analogy I mean it's a bacteria when we looked at

the water in Mexico it was the bacteria that made you sick that's why for every 10 studies you say well power line

frequencies make you ill you'll find 10 studies that says it's inconclusive well I was in Russia and there was a bunch of

scientists there and they were arguing because they both did teams did both good research but then I said did you

save the waveforms yes and so then what they did is they said okay they went back and looked at the

waveforms the ones that were crappy or high frequency waveforms okay that was

conclusive that yes it causes cancer and it causes all these problems the ones that were clean the results were

inconclusive so it's like it wasn't really the water that made you sick it

was the water was just a carrier it was the bacteria that made you sick and you can put on a slice of bread and get sick

yeah okay so it's the frequency and the spikes that are on that so I'm I mean I'm picturing a sine wave but then the

sine wave has like little Jiggles on it that's that's the dirty electricity that you're describing right kind of that's right yes and the more Jiggles okay okay

then that's the higher the frequency oh I see what you mean so I was thinking of the actual alternation of the the

original signway but you that happen 60 times per second on the 60 times there's

like you're call them jig that's fine like little teeth yeah those are the spes got it okay so when you're

referring to you walk into an office and they and somebody has tons of electronics all around them if like

let's say they're further away from their power line um so they don't have

they're not as close to the Transformer I suppose it is the Transformer right that that silver box that typically does

okay so uh if they're further away from that and most of the things they have that that are plugging into the wall

they're not smart devices they're just regular plugs is that cleaner or not

necessarily not necessarily because it isn't what just what you have it's what

the neighbors have whatever yeah so then we got to measure it yeah okay so at that point that makes a difference but

there's no place that's going to be clean of yeah these days unfortunately Ely that seems to be the case because

you know you're affected by your neighbors the whole grid is dirty right so okay so then um when someone is using

your microsurge meter if they were to plug that in and they were to see so like let's say you mentioned that the

smart meters are Dreadful as far as putting dirty electricity on the the the grid um so if somebody has a smart meter

but they're not measuring particularly High dirty electricity or is does that ever does that ever happen or is it all

seen it oh really okay so what constitutes High dirty electricity um as far as the microsurge meter is concerned

okay the microsurge meter we made because we use an oscilloscope but

they're $5,000 and nobody's going to go buy a $5,000 so so what we did is we wanted to make a poor man's

oscilloscope okay uh so that so that anybody could afford to well actually

okay so but an osilloscope it takes a lot of training and you know okay so let's make it as simple as we can and

let's have a digital print out now if you made the human body into an electrical model you can look it up you

know it's Underwriters Laboratories model of the human body the body will look like three resistors and two

capacitors so a capacitor is a short to high frequency so any energy pause for

just a second can you define those terms for us okay a capacitor it's it's an

electrical component okay but it's a short for high frequency words high frequency will shoot across the

capacitor okay all right y like a magnet to it okay so what happens is

where if you get above two kilohertz okay the capacitors kick in you don't

have skin anymore sort of like you know an electrical model okay so all the energy above 2 kerz dissipates internal

to the human body so we want to be below 2 kohtz so if you look at the microsurge

Met MH it's a curve but it's not always but usually below 50 is below 2 KZ okay so

you want to be below two KZ then that energy is not dissipating internal to

the human body so it's not going internal it's probably not hurting it okay okay so that's where we come with

that now the smart meteor puts 50 kertz back on the wires so that's going to be

way above 2 KZ and that meter is going to read you know in the hundreds

got it okay so and you also I don't know if it was just you or

if it was you and U Dr Martin Graham who created the dirty electricity filters as well so if somebody then plugs one of

those in and their microsurge meter is reading under 50 even if they don't

remove the smart meter or the smart TV or all the things are they okay or did

they still need to get rid of all those things no no they just plug it in look

okay in reality okay yeah remember I said like a Dell computer like will put

16.5 KZ back on the wires right okay Dell knows that that is exactly

what they're putting on okay so they could make a tuned filter and put it right at the right at

the computer right at the switchable power supply and then that would short that out the same way with apple could

put a 12.5 Gil tune filter okay okay and so it's like a radio station tuner okay

if you want to listen to 104.5 megahertz you tune your radio to that then only that signal comes through

and you get a country music station out of Dallas Texas for example okay yeah so we can make a tune filter for any of

those frequencies see and so you shouldn't have to buy our filters or anybody else's filters that manufacturer

this stuff should put it there but light bulb Manu they don't right and I went we

went to them we didn't want to have a product to sell because we thought it took away from the our credibility experts sure and they said get the heck

out of here uh because uh we it add $5 to the cost of the computer well at that

time computers were selling for like $3,000 so what the heck is $5 more right

right right so but yeah if you want to stay below 50 now can you have modern day electronic devices and can you use

them and use them safely absolutely yeah this is an engineering solution to an engineering problem I see I mean if

you're working in the Auto industry and you want to build this really super motor or something and you got but then

it's going to run hotter right okay well then let's give it some cooling fins right so we have more surface area and

we can dissipate the heat better I mean this is like okay we have these high frequencies generated from creating AC

to DC right okay let's let's tune put a tune filter in and get rid of it get rid

of it okay so extrapolating that idea of the smart meter that then puts sturdy electricity on the wires what about out

so back to the brick Chargers or anything that gets plugged into an inverter or anything like that so if

somebody were to like let's say instead of plugging in their phone by their bedside at night they're going to be

really smart and they're going to plug in their charger in the other room is that still putting dirty electricity on

all of their house wires I mean I know they they it is okay so it's better in the sense that we're not exposed to the

electric field in the magnetic field because it's no longer approximate to the head but you still have that issue

The High Frequency yes you can go into your bedroom and plug you know a microsurge meter in there for example

and you can go and have somebody turn on a light dimmer switch and Vary it now that's not even on that's on a total

different circuit that's a lighting circuit and it can be down in your basement you know and you can be

upstairs in your bedroom and then when they vary that Circ you'll see that number go up and down got it okay so and

then on that subject as far as the dimmers so the problem is I understand it with those is the bottleneck thing

again so as your getting less as as you're trying to decrease the amount of electricity that's coming in now you've

got more that's dissipating am I am I getting that right is that how that works kind well the dirty power that's

coming in you just created more by using a dimmer switch okay okay so would you

create less if you have a dimmer and you don't want to get rid of it would would you create less if you have it all the

way on or is it just as bad as if you have it like halfway on or barely on you're correct okay okay the dimmer you

make it yeah Yeah the more chopping of the sine wave you're doing okay now if

you're going to have it and you you absolutely can't get rid of dimer switch you

know turn it all the if you got to have it on turn it all the way up okay it's still going to chop even Lutron who

makes the very best dimmer switches usually right they'll still chop 5% okay so you're still chopping but have it all

the way up I always tell people why don't you just you know change the light bulb or you know if you really want to

mood you know light a candle right exactly yep no that makes sense um

okay so along the lines as far as lighting goes so fluorescent lights are Dreadful um if someone has fluorescent

lights but they don't turn them on like let's say they work in an office building and they don't have control

over that if they just don't turn on the lights above them is that good enough or do they have to actually unscrew the bulb does it matter no no you if it

switches off you're not you're not okay so that's good um okay and so what about

solar panels how bad are they and why solar panels are really bad not the

panel okay okay what's really bad with solar is the inverter you got to take DC current and

turn it into AC and so that will put 20 or 20,000 Cycles on the wires

everywhere there's been all kinds of white Papers written on it and and and solar does not comply with the i e 519

it's in where you can't put so much back online right and so big this big solar

push and not only does it put it on the ground I mean on the wires it puts it on the ground so even if your neighbors got

solar your your numbers will go really high oh my God and it's very bad and

it's 20 kertz okay so and the mo the World Health

Organization the Russian government the Japanese government they all say that the most biologically active frequencies

are between 4 KZ and 100 khz and here we got 20 oh and smart meter's 50 and that

Dell computer's you know 165 and 12.5 so you see you know that's the kind of Doom

and glooma part but you can get rid of it you knowuh interesting um okay so

then if somebody has the internet of things you know the idea that now you've got smart devices your smart your you

know fridge is smart and your all the various things um how first of all how does somebody know is basically

everything smart smart these days if we buy something new no that

okay I don't see so many smart refrigerators and things like that coming out on the market anymore because

so many people are getting sick and complaining and all that when I'm talking about smart the you know the the smart meter

can transmit long distances okay but your refrigerator and your stove and and

the dryer and things like that your appliances if you put that the smart you

know so that could talk to these satellites right right it would be really a lot of power and people would

really be sick so what they did is said well let's use low power and we'll send it over to the smart meter and then the

smart meter will boost it up and send it out okay but even then it's lowlevel radiation and uh I know a lot of people

are complaining and you know I don't see so much of that anymore as far as the transmitting part and if you do and it

is I would go in the back take the there's on the PC board it'll say Wi-Fi and unplug it

on the p on the PC board PR circuit board yeah in the back yeah oh okay so you can actually go into those devices

and actually unplug the Wi-Fi component yeah oh wow okay just make sure it's

unplugged you don't want there's a little PR circuit board on some and I think there's some YouTube videos out

there something too but they'll say Wi-Fi on the circuit board unplug it right you know you don't look when I buy

a refrigerator I want it to keep my food cold exactly like why do we need all the rest of this why why does the electric

utility or the government or anybody else need to know what's in my refrigerator and those things I just

wanted to keep it cold I want to put my clothes in a washer and push a button and come back in there clean you know

yeah yeah so um in some areas people will say like the oscilloscopes

Apparently will read that the ground outside in neighborhoods can be dirty is

that true am I understanding that correctly absolutely yes okay why what's

going on how do thaten the United stat well North America okay okay um we use

what we call a grounded y system Europe uses an open Delta system okay so what

it is you got the substation you know and we take we generate power at the

power plant and we send it to a substation okay from the substation it comes down the line to these Transformers here okay so every electron

the power that goes out on the wires and Europe has to return to the substation

okay on a wire okay okay it's p law for every electron that leaves a node one has to return okay so in Europe what

went out on a wire has to return on a wire if something happens to the wire the system shuts down in North America

we didn't do that what we call a grounded y system okay all the power that goes out on the wires right when it

comes back to the substation it has two paths one's on we call a primary neutral wire uhuh and the other one's the ground

so they drive a ground rod in all the poles and it helps you know take that high frequency current back to the

substation now the bad part is is that in your house that ground wire is also

bonded to your water pipes okay it's bonded to the ground that third wire on

your outlet that for you know the so if you plug in your frying pan it's got that third prong on you've just now

connected that to the ground so the ground in 1998 okay Minnesota Science advisers and

epy Electric Power Research Institute the electric utilities own research arm found that 70% of all the current that

goes out on the wires returns to the substation via the Earth wow not down in the Earth but on

the earth okay so it it doesn't if it's if it's returning on the earth does it all actually get back there or does it

just disip it does well yeah for every electron that leaves one has to return

okay yeah but has to return to the place it came from yep law we can't change

laws of physics all right so all right so then that's the reason why and is that the reason why if people buy

grounding mats some people feel awesome and some people feel terrible because their grounding system can be contaminated is that the case well in

North America a lot of that growning matte crap and I call it that I don't mind it saying it okay I got the me of

me measurements that prove it okay sure yeah I believe you but yeah you can't and the meter doesn't care it's binary

ones and zero don't have an opinion but in Europe a lot of that research was done in Europe okay now the human body

if you're sitting here right now and you're sitting in front of that computer uh you're building a charge I mean

there's electrons in your body you're going to build up a charge is it good to discharge the answer is yes now people

in Europe they they done these grounding mats well it had nothing to do with the ground it had to do with the conductive surface okay

okay and so you're you get the same amount of electrons on one side as the other okay so but what happens

is they wrote all these papers they felt better and things like that where by you know laying on these grounding masks

basically all they were doing is discharging it doesn't matter but in North America it doesn't work that way

because you're actually would you climb up the pole out you know on your electric you know in front of your house

and hook a wire onto that bottom wire and then bring it in and hook it to a mat and then lay on it probably not well

that's exactly what you're doing by plugging in just to that third prong on your outlet or drive a ground rod

outside and hook to it so actually you're connecting yourself to the electric utility's primary neutral wire

so in North America and that's why people do get sicker from it now why pay

$150 for a ground mat you can take a piece of aluminum foil out of your kitchen cupboard and stand on it for

about a little about a minute okay depends on your body shape and I don't know why we did research in Russia with

this with the professors of medicine and if you're a heavier person okay you

discharge faster than somebody who's smaller and more petite okay but everybody discharged within a minute or

so okay so just and we we have measurement instruments to measure it with so if you just stand on a piece of

aluminum foil see what happens in your body this charge is like remember I told you when you're in dirty power the

electrons move to one side okay well then they move back and you get this oscillation okay so that's like a charge

we can measure right okay so now what happens is the electrons move to the

atoms on your other side of your body what happens is too many of them move well now it created holes in the atoms

on this on the other side so then they move back well too many move and it keeps on going well if you stand on a

piece of aluminum foil what you did is they don't take going back through like this they short out you know like a

capacitor lead you touch them together boom so then what happens you got the same amount of electrons on one side is

the other so there's nothing to attract them over you know so you're discharged so before you go to bed at night stand a

piece of aluminum foil for a minute hop in bed it shouldn't be any place charging up so how is that different I

mean with the idea like grounding paint and the things like that I I've or not not grounding paint but um shielding

paint I guess I should say but they say you're supposed to ground that too is if

again that research that's a good question okay and really and the answer is in Europe they grounded it okay okay

but the ground sort of it's sort of people think of the ground like a sponge

okay so if we drop water on a sponge we don't see it so if we can put this signal these electrons in the ground

right right we never see him again well in Europe that's one thing but in the in

in we have a grounded wi system it's not like a sponge we drop water on it it's like dropping water on

a brick we put it on there we got water to deal with okay but in North America

if you hook that ground that paint so you painted this wall with this you know

conductive paint and then you ground it what you did is you made yourself a big big satellite dish and now you connect

it to high frequencies because the ground is full of these high frequencies which is exactly that's right you're not

bleeding anything off you're sucking it in and now you're going to stay in that house okay okay so so it's the exact

same issue with the grounding mat same thing it's just you basically you're an antenna okay um so if you have something

that's just a shield like a faraday cage for example that doesn't have to be grounded that's just blocking right

right reflects okay got it okay got it yeah no problem I mean if you you know if you're stuck somewhere at a hotel or

apartment buildings and like New York is terrible you got Wi-Fi above you and Below you and whatever you know then you

maybe have to get into like a fair days cage in your bed that that's fine it'll block it right yeah and I've heard

debates on that as well like those those um the the the uh netting that goes over

the bed for example and they're incredibly expensive but some say you feel worse if you don't ground it now it

sounds like you feel worse if you do ground it that makes well go by your meter okay you put a meter in there you

know and and they go by the meter a lot of people put them over their bed okay

but they don't do anything with the floor underneath and so the problem is is that the guy downstairs has Wi-Fi or

something or phone and it comes up and once it's in there it B it can't get out

and now you not only get it from the side from the bottom side now it hits

the roof and it comes down hits the walls so you become a little cage like a little rotiss absolutely got it can make

it worse so you go by your meter yeah like I said meters don't have opinions sure and that sounds like it would be

more of an issue if you're on the second or or higher floor but if you're on the ground that shouldn't be an issue right

no there's yeah theoretically okay just making sure y okay and then so as far as

the Met not the meters the um filters are concerned so my understanding is

sometimes when you plug those in you can actually create a little magnetic field in that General am I understanding that

right okay if you plug it in and you put the gal meter right up and you actually

got to touch the filter you're going to read four milligals okay okay if you

pull it away four inches it will drop to zero okay so nobody's four inches away

from the wall you know I mean sure if you are move something so you're no yeah

so yeah so then anything that draws current is going to have a MAG magnetic field right so if you got a lamp plugged

in you're going to get just as much or more if you got anything like that plugged in it's you're going to get any

time you turn on a light bulb you're going to have a magnetic and what if somebody has faulty wiring in their

house will that make a difference as far as how the the filters work okay I've

heard that a lot okay and usually it's a building biology that people that find is wiring errors they call it well I'm a

member of the i e I've been in business 50 years I've never seen it none of my colleagues have ever seen it anything

like that now we had to create we we did it in a lab okay and what they're just

finding is a wiring errors if you're you got a light bulb over here and you the

hot wire comes and then it's supposed to be running back you know like Ro mik's wire has a black wire and a white wire

well okay comes out on the black wire the current goes through the light bulb and then it goes back on the white wire well they're saying well we disconnect

this white wire and we hooked it to another white wire that's over across the room somewhere right well you know

first of all it's against the code it's against no electrician would never do that or something like that oh well they

find it all the time and then there's a guy that comes that will come and straighten it out for you for $5,000 well okay but I but really

seriously I've never seen it sure um I haven't nor any of my colleagues or anything like that and we've had

building inspectors and electrical inspectors for years and they would never and there's a rough in inspection

and nobody would but but okay but if you went ahead and somebody really did do

that yeah it doesn't it wouldn't be the filter when you plug the filter in you're saying well we got this great big

magnetic field it would have matter what you plugged in a 60 wat light bulb would

do the same thing with some if you had your house wired wrong so it has nothing

to do in other words if you're okay in the house now and it isn't you know there's any problems and and that when

you're putting the filters in isn't going to make difference than if you had a light bulb blug it got it okay so you'd still have a massive electric

field just by the fact that your hot wire and your neutral were separated from each other regardless yeah when you

separate them yeah then you get a magnetic field because the wires are normally they next together you know

like you got Romax or BX or however your H anything is wired you got you got to

have a wire that takes the hot wire out and you got to have something a neutral that takes the print back well they're always right next to each other so

they're always out of phase with each other so when one's going positive the other one's maximum negative okay so they

cancel each other the closer they are the more you know the better it is okay so they're insulated and they're real

close together and the fields cancel so you really won't get much of anything now when you come to the box of course

then you're separated them a little bit you know because you got to one side of the outlet and the other side of the outlet so then you get a little bit more

you get yeah right which is part of the reason why when you when you put your gaus meter right up to your electrical

box you got to go right but then youw back and it drops off sure okay makes sense all right so for people

who are listening and feeling overwhelmed uh what are some Basics like small changes that people can make if

they don't necessarily have a strong reason to think this is a huge issue for them how can they protect themselves

without moving off grid at this point what what are some well actually moving off grid can make things worse because

usually you got solar and that's bad oh interesting okay but there's nobody that's not

affected by it people say well it doesn't bother me well yeah but there's

nobody you know and I think they said once 5% of the population is you know and I've heard 8% I think everybody's

affected by it it's just that you not make levels yeah because nobody's Superman okay so you know try to and I'm

not saying you can't use your stuff but you know there's three things I worry about okay uh one is what's on the

building's wires okay that you can put filters in and clean it up number two I

worry about what's coming through space you know that's your Wi-Fi you know the

transmitted signals from the smart meter things like that and that's usually requires shielding if you can you know

but that gets to be kind of expensive and you better know what you're doing with it so you know so then you you

usually got to at least get some advice from somebody you know how to do it or something like that you don't have to

hire people to come out because most of the stuff you can do yourself if you get somebody they'll you know give you some

advice of how to use it or do it you know but again you're going to have to the biggest investment is going to be a meter okay you're gonna have to buy a

meter because you're going to make your decisions that way so what's coming you know through space what's coming on the

wires and then what's on the ground and really you have no control over or very

little control over what's on the ground that's an electric utility issue but now if you have copper piping for example

and you're getting huge magnetic fields off the pipes you can cut the pipe say two three feet of it when it comes into

the house put a piece of plastic in there and spool it I had to do that to my house you know yeah and it'll reduce

the amount of the exposure you have as far as contact current and remember um there something called

Contact current and the National Institute of Health and environmental Sciences did research and and they a

numerous well program studies they found that 18 microamps will cause um cancer

in numerous well programmed studies so that would mean if you went between the sink and the floor with a little

voltmeter you'd only have to measure 9 molts and then you would be exposed to

18 microamps wow you know so I worry about what's on the ground too so you want to

reduce that as much as you can sure so and you mentioned get some advice where

do people find people like a professional who might be able to help them with this well there's people out

there I mean my phone never stops ringing you know you call here we have qualified people you know and I don't

know we haven't charged anybody for devices or for advice yet right you know

so uh I mean we did it to make people get better not to make money yeah but uh

but there's shielding material you can buy it's you know looks like aluminum foil and it's you know like I think it's

$5 it comes on a roll you know like four feet high and so then for $15 you can

block it you got to think about like a mirror but you can put on the back side of the smart meter that that puts a huge burst of

energy every 20 seconds back into you know all directions right well if you put that behind the smart meter okay

then it hits that and it reflects it back out and now some people sell these uh like it looks like a cage that goes

over the smart meter yeah yeah well they go out in the yard and they say look at we got you know uh 1,500 microwatts per

meter squared now we put the cage on it went down to 900 it really did but where

did that there was no less radiation okay but it gets reflected back into the house they only cover the outside of the

meter oh right I don't we don't live out in the yard you got to you know they

meters right but look I want to go take the measurements in where we live

wall yeah yeah and you're going to find that it it takes it right back so put

something on the backside of the meter and reflect it all the way well if your smart meter is on top of your electrical

box which is metal doesn't that do it or do they still need something else on that it doesn't no the metal it'll go

right to the metal radiation yeah yeah yeah okay so yeah I was thinking I guess it depends on the type of metal because

aluminum foil is blocking this well okay when I'm talking about foil well here I have this sample here but

you can see this foil okay but if you if you cut it and you looked at it from the end there's like a material in it if you

really look close maybe you can kind of see the weaving oh yeah there's actually a material or a webbing in there and it

so they got like a foil they got a layer of of resin then they put a layer of this material and then they put a layer

of foil on it so it gets to be like a heavy duty foil but then what it does is it reflects it right out okay so it

isn't like tin foil in your house CU it's going to it might help a little bit

but mostly it's going to go through it okay so it's but it is the aluminum

that's actually reflective correct as yes yeah okay so that it's that's the material this and then see what happens

the radiation it's like a screen this material you know yeah and so when it hits that it kind of bounces around in

there see and then you got another foil on the other side of it that kind of then puts it out that's like we used to

have screen rooms in the military when we tune transmitters and things you know yeah it was like copper screen and then

the size the how far the screen was apart but it hits it and it bounces around and it's gone got it okay awesome

so what have I not asked you that you think is important to leave with our audience I don't know you're pretty good

awesome well where can people go to learn more about you well you can go to ster

electric.com um you know and and you can call me and you

know and I'll call you back I mean I I'm on the phone quite a bit but uh but

there's nobody they haven't called back so even if you just and we don't we have real people that answer the phone so we

don't have machines not that we're oldfashioned or well we're kind of old fashioned because I like to I don't like

talking to machines and I sure yeah who does most people don't so somebody's going to answer the phone and and

they're either going to Pat you through to me or or Adam or Marie or Larry or somebody whoever you know you want and

and sometimes I'm on the ho and somebody but I I always return my calls it might not be right that minute but you'll get

a call back the very day you call awesome I will link to that in the show notes and thank you so much this has

been extremely informative I really appreciate your time it's kind of like like I said nobody everybody's

affected by it and I was in Russia and

there was an example the guy gave me because I I'm not a medical doctor so that's the farthest thing for me okay so

they had to make things really dumb down for me and so they said okay if you got three people in the room and somebody

brings a cat in and we're all allergic cats okay somebody might start weezing

somebody's going to start you know like coughing or sneezing and somebody eyes watering and you're get somebody's going

to break out in a rash okay like that so now we can go and we can take an

antihistamine and it'll help us but the best thing to do is get rid of the Darn

Cat right sure so this we our bodies aren't used to these

fields okay they're M and so your body when you're around it produces histamine

so it's like the guys with the cats everybody's body was producing histamine but we didn't all have the same reaction

you see sure so it's the same with this and so the best thing to do because your body really does produce hist you're

actually like allergic reaction to these fields so different people react differently so then if you go ahead and

you you just get rid of it clean it up you know why go to the doctor and really

chronic fatigue fibromyalgia ADD ADHD kids we when we cleaned up their

electrical environment okay and I have to say that I used to say well when we put the filters in well okay but I can't

say that anymore well you got to put them in there that that's the first thing okay but uh you're still exposed

now to things that we weren't exposed to before I mean Smart Meters we didn't have them we didn't have Wi-Fi and

things like that so now you can put the filters in you feel okay yeah I feel really good but I don't sleep too good at night Wi-Fi is usually okay so if you

have to have it put it on a timer but you know there's a lot of Doom and Gloom but I always say well okay there's an

engineering solution to an engineering problem M and can we use it and can we use it

safely and the answer is yes there's methods that we can do to use it perfect sounds great so I will link

in the show notes to your website so people can get a hold of you and really appreciate your time thank you sure

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