Healing Frequencies: Interview with Dr Russell Witte

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I'm delighted to have Dr Russell witty joining us again Dr witty is a professor

of Medical Imaging Optical sciences and biomedical engineering at the University of Arizona Dr witty's experimental

ultrasound and neural Imaging laboratory devises Cutting Edge imaging technology

integrating light ultrasound and microwaves to diagnose and treat diseases ranging from tendonopathy and

arhythmia breast cancer by integrating different forms of energy special effects are created that enable ultrasound Imaging of optical absorption

deep tissue deep in tissue mapping current Source densities in the beating heart and elasticity Imaging of human

muscle and tendon for quantifying tissue mechanical properties Dr witty's research further extends into

nanotechnology and smart contrast agents which have applications to functional brain Imaging cardiovascular disease and

cancer Dr witty Works closely with collaborators in the colleges of engineering Optical sciences and

medicine as well as industry to develop cutting edged Imaging Technologies that potentially improve patient care welcome

Dr witty thanks for joining us again hi Lauren great to be back absolutely okay

so today I wanted to dive into the concept of healing frequency so give us a little bit of an overview first of all

on your the research that you're doing in your lab and potential future applications of it since that sounds

like it's quite relevant yeah so my my research lab

works with what I would call nonionizing Energy so that's that would be light

sound and electricity that is not include x-rays or gamma rays so it's one

Spectrum or part of the energy that we we work with including the visible spectrum and I use these energies to uh

develop uh what I would say relatively new types of Concepts and imaging um and

sometimes when you combine these energies like light and sound or sound and electricity um you actually can

generate different mechanisms there's a there's many phys iCal effects that a lot of people are not that familiar with

and one of the things that we did a long time ago was research all these a lot of

papers from 50 to 100 years ago and found all these interesting different mechanisms and started to take advantage

of those and so when you add these things together and start to integrate them they can create uh new contrasts

for Imaging and one of the things with ultrasound or sound the reason one of the disadvantages as a medical imaging

modality is it has uh low contrast meaning the soft tissue

like fat and muscle um tends to look really similar on an ultrasound image so the contrast is low um but otherwise

ultrasound can have high resolution in terms of an image and can be done very quickly and within even a volume and so

one of the main themes of my lab is to look for new contrast mechanisms that use ultrasound but be able to look at

different information than a regular ultrasound uh would uh an ultrasound image would look at so as you pointed

out in the introduction we can use ultrasound to look at things like the absorption of light or use ultrasound to

image electrical currents in the body and so those are two of the modalities that we're working with so even though I

focus primarily on Imaging um there are of course things where crossover where

therapy and modulation of cellular activity becomes relevant um and because

of that I've had to do a lot of research especially history uh up to current Uh

current State ofth art in terms of uh theories of energy and healing um and it

turns out this is a rich and diverse field even though it's not something that's always taught in like an academic

setting yeah absolutely so it's really interesting that it sounds like there's almost an inner conversion of multiple

different types of energy so there's sound and electrical current and light

so you're able to use one form of energy to image another almost like can you

tell me a little bit more about what's the connection between sound and

light yeah so that's a good question and I think if you even ask like academics

or professionals they might even s tell you they're very distinctly different they're two different things but um

actually the two things I've already referenced will tell you directly that there's an interconnection so there's

something that I work with that's called an ACO electric effect and it's a physical equation that that directly

relates the electrical properties of a material to a pressure wave so when

you're sending in a pressure wave and and a pressure wave doesn't propagate through a vacuum it needs matter or

something for it to propagate through so by definition as a pressure wave is going through and that could be sound or

ultrasound it's actually changing the electrical properties of that material it's reciprocal you can't do one without

the other um and in fact um I believe you can actually Define sound wave as a

type of an electromagnetic wave that is has boundary different boundary

conditions because it's it's slower it's slower because it requires molecules or

matter for it to propagate um but if you actually think of it as a and in terms of charge transfer electrical charge

transfer as a as a pressure Wave propagates It's actually moving charge around so you can then Define the sound

wave in terms of the movement of charge so so there's a direct relationship and the way that I like to think of it is

the boundary conditions are different I would say it's a type of wave and one can be converted into another depending

on that interaction and just maybe the last thing to think about um and I think

there's you know the great scientists n Nicola Tesla and even Einstein had

similar quotes and they said energy cannot be created or destroyed it can only be changed from one form to another

okay so that concept is important and then we have to understand well what really is energy as well as a question

right right okay so to clarify I think what I heard was that with sound you it

has to propagate through a medium versus light which can propagate through a vacuum but other in other respects

they're similar is that true uh yeah I mean the physics are similar they they're governed by the

same general wave equation is what you do um but as we know sound propagates

much more slowly than light so it's in a different form what what causes it to slow down well one of the things you

just mentioned it's it's being carried in a different way than a sound light wave but I can send in a pulse of light

and have that converted to a soundwave that's the photoacoustic effect or thermoacoustic effect and so that pulse

of light gets absorbed and immediately gets sent back as a sound wave it tells you that you can convert one to another

um and actually it's fundamental to some of the Imaging modalities that people are doing oh wow that's so neat okay so

um to the idea of healing versus damaging energy frequency so what you

just described on the electromagnetic spectrum is there an overlap first of all between the frequencies of sound and

the frequencies of light like even though they they might propagate through different types of mediums would there

be an overlap in terms of the actual frequencies themselves or no are they completely separate

Spectrum uh there is overlap um and I only kind of learned this recently and I don't remember if I shared a a figure

with you um but there is a relation reltionship between obviously uh when

you have a frequency of light and the speed of light you can relate that to a wavelength like in nanometers or microns

you know so microwaves are millimeter scale visible light is like 500 nanometers right so there's a wave

relationship between frequency wavelength and the speed of light well you can so if you are oscillating

something so which is a mechanical thing which could be at a at a um Char you

know electron or molecular level depending on what you're oscillating if you oscillate those things at the

equivalent frequency that you're doing light then there's a corresponding sound frequency that that's has a name for

like hypers sound at some point it just becomes heat and so I have a graph that

relates the the frequency of light to sound frequency and what term that's used but I believe there's basically a

one- one relationship in terms of the vibrational oscillations which is a mechanical thing

right to the the light frequencies which is which is obviously trans transmission

of photons and and waves itself so so there is but it's not something that's typically shared in that way but there

is the relationship exists yes got it okay and I think you introduced me to the concept of simatics which is the

conversion of a sound into a picture like a um it looks like a fractal to me

more or less can you comment on what that is like how does does that actually happen what's the math behind

it yeah I I believe Michael Faraday was the first to kind of discover and report

on this and he didn't really see a an application for it but he did spend some time talking about it right um and then

shortly thereafter there was um and I forget the name at the moment but there was a device that was created uh I think

it's called tonoscope Uh but something like that that uh it was intended to be used for uh for deaf people

uh as an aid um and it basically had sand inside and it responded to

vibrations or sound and different images W of the sand would form and the person

would be able to learn by the movements of the sand what kind of sounds were being created um so was a device to Aid

kind of deaf people so I think that's originally um where it was and and how it was uh used this is back in the

1800s um and U and through the 1900s and and people can look a lot of interesting

research and things on sematics but essentially what that is is it it it's a

way to visualize um the vibrations of an

object um which is hard to do in general but the traditional ways to do that use either like a droplet of water that's

one that people can find pretty easily on the internet you put a drop of water on a slide um and then you have a

microscope observing that drop on the slide and and then you introduce different frequencies so you might start

with a sine wave like really low frequency below sound and then you start sweeping it higher and higher and anybody can kind of do this probably

with a camera if you have a an app on your phone you can probably do this um there's actually devices you can buy

that are actually sematics and you can use your phone to connect to it as well but you could probably do this yourself so as you're sweeping up in frequency

the vibrations of the water do not just take a random form they take a uh what's

called the sematic kind of form and they get more complicated as you sweep up in frequency and there are certain

frequencies where you can observe a dramatic transition in the geometry and again Faraday talked about

this these transitions I think I think the transition is named after farity whatever um and so you can continue to

do this so you're basically just observing a water droplet in these interesting patterns and if you actually look at it more carefully they do obey

certain laws um related to Sacred GE ometry um Fibonacci Sequence golden

ratio which ultimately here we might talk more about but it's these patterns are everywhere in nature um and the

physics are pretty well defined in terms of how these uh how the structures form

of course if you're looking at water droplet it's more like a two-dimensional thing that you're looking at of course this would be happening in three

dimensionals and the physics are simply related to the vibrations of the water droplet and the boundary conditions

because there's air water slide right so you change the boundary conditions you're going to get us a slightly

different pattern although the general idea will continue um and the other

interesting thing about this um especially when you want to think about this as a healing modality is that these

patterns continue all the way from the macro scale all the way down to Atomic

level so so vibrations are happening at all scales um and from an Imaging

standpoint you don't always think of that because with as an Imaging you think there are limits like a defraction

limit in terms of wavelength and how well you can focus with a lens or something but this isn't about necessar

Imaging this is about recognizing the physics of what's happening and you are creating vibrational modes by having the

sound and then essentially what you're visualizing under in this case a microscope would be the standing waves

of sound bouncing back and forth across the boundaries and overlapping themselves and creating interference

patterns across the droplet okay now I say that I I use a water drop Asing example of course you could use sand and

you can do the same kind of thing but now when we want to take that idea and concept to a living system or or a human

body um what you have to recognize is we're mostly made of for example water and cells right and so when you play

sound and you feel that sound it is going everywhere in your body and all of those all of that uh all of the all of

the molecules Etc are responding to that sound in some ways now what we don't

know in terms of discussing this is there are there certain patterns or geometries that promote healthy living

and are there certain geometries or sounds that could be adverse or dis

disharmonious right to a living system and normally think of like homeostasis right if you're healthy and you continue

that but if you start to deviate from that the question is are you building up frequencies that may

not uh not in balance with nature or life and and this concept of course goes

back thousands of years but certainly uh to the 1800s um and you know where where

the where these kind of ideas were being discussed right yeah so before I get into like drilling down into some of

what those might be can you give our listeners kind of a background on how the Fibonacci sequence the golden ratio

fee things like that correspond to you're talking about yeah so all of those have a very

strict and specific mathematical relationship um um and you can define

those in mathematics of course Fibonacci is maybe the easiest one in terms of

math it's a it's a spiral with a very specific uh curvature as it expands and

you can you can look at the area and two dimensions of the Spiral and you start with a one and a two in terms of area

and then you add the previous two numbers so you get one two and then three and then you get two three and five and then three five and eight and

then you can create your spiral related to that well you can do spirals you can do triangles there's different forms you

can do this in three dimensions okay so that's fundamentally the mathematics of it okay um but what's interesting is

that simple formula and relationship is found everywhere in nature everywhere

you go um the the spirals the Hurricanes the the ca mollus the model is the um uh

um take you can open up uh you know fruit and see the same sort of sacred geometry now I was referring to the

spiral but there's there's uh the Fibonacci relates to Golden Ratio one: one that you can Define one and have the

other um and the fee and all these other things they're they're direct you know there's square square roots there's ways to Define these from what I just said

which is very strange that why does nature have this very specific and strict non it's nonlinear

um but it's this relationship right where does that even come from you know why don't we talk about this more right

um but the other aspect of it where you can see this everywhere in nature is the uh is like is the

bifurcation of uh of of lines so I'm thinking like blood vessels like

dendrites in the brain like Rivers uh in in nature you can actually predict on

average where the rivers or the vessels in your heart or in your body will

bifurcate um and again it's relat to Golden Ratio so as you extend along the stem of the of the line uh you you take

that golden ratio You can predict where it's going to Branch off and it relates to Golden ratio and again on average

there might be a little bit of variation but when you do the average you end up getting the same sort of relationship

okay so there's those are two different ways you can think of the uh this very interesting what people call sacred

geometry or that are relate to these these patterns so so once you recognize

they're everywhere um you know and there there's another term in science that is more common

biomimicry and that's looking at biology and trying to mimic its Form and

Function right how a bird flies versus like say an airplane right and so military and and companies have been

very interested in biomimicry well this is another another aspect and I think it should be part of our conversation

when we start to think about health and disease and the structure of an organism but it's almost rarely talked about in

any routine academic setting these days but it seems to be at least an important

question we should be asking and looking at the history of that right yeah it certainly seems like the Fingerprints of

God to me uh but just so to to clarify my own understanding so you said that the Fibonacci sequence for for the sake

of our listeners too um so it's the sum of the two numbers before it as it continues one two and and then and then

three the the 1 plus 2 is three 2 plus 3 is 5 Etc and then the golden ratio as I

understand it is the relationship between any two numbers that are next to each other in the Fibonacci sequence I

think right um right it's 1.6 whatever so anybody can look at what that number

is but it's a very specific it's a nonrational number like Pi um uh and

then Pi uh you know some people have said that that's hard to connect Pi itself to uh to the golden ratio but

there are people and scientists that uh argue against that that there is a relationship between pi itself and the

curvature um and I would say that may be controversial but I think it would be interesting to look at some of the

arguments people made and questioning uh the act the very specific value of pi when you go out several digits but I

don't want to get into that but but yeah if you start talking about relating Pi which is an irrational number to these

other ones it even gets more interesting gotcha okay so and so back to the idea

of simatics so what you're describing when you said is you go down to the cellular level it's consistent that's

essentially the definition of a fractal right is that what a fractal is absolutely yeah it's a chaos pattern and

it's a fractal absolutely okay okay so do fractals always follow any something

related to the Fibonacci sequence in some way or not

necessarily uh it it doesn't have to I mean the mathematical equation you can you can download little programs that

will create fractals um I don't believe they have to obey the uh natur the

sacred geometries that we're talking about you can a fractal really just

means that a pattern repeats itself over and over again at different spatial scales that's essentially what a fractal

is so I would say that this would be a specific type of fractal got it okay so and then when we see these perfect

images of the fractal if they okay let me back up a little bit so my

understanding was that with the Fibonacci sequence that also helps to Define conceptual Concepts like the

color wheel and musical tones of a scale and the periodic table and things like that as well that's true right is that

um it can um I'm not sure let's you know working backwards the periodic table as

presented is on a very cartisian grid um and we really need to look at the

perodic table because there's been many versions of the periodic table the Russian scientists that created the

original periodic table had additional elements in addition to hydrogen um and

when and why those were removed is a question um which it may relate to some other things we talk about um but also

things people like Walter Russell who was a brilliant scientist Einstein and Tesla talked about Walter Russell he had

a very different way of laying out the elements again as a spiral uh in a more

um uh sacred geometry sort of relationship that had a lot more

interesting ways to look at the elements in terms of frequency in terms of things that we're talking about and you can

find this online and download with and Walter Russell I think people can look up his periodic table lays out the

elements in a very different way in a more spiral form that allows you to think of the elements and the

relationships in a more profound complex way um looking at sacred geometries that

you may not be able to see if you look at the traditional periodic element so periodic table um so uh so I think it's

that by itself is an important um because I think things are hidden in sometimes the way things are presented

and I know that you had asked for something other than periodic table in your last question and I forget what it

was right the others were about musical uh tones in a scale and also color and

just so specifically where I'm going with this is the the concept when it comes to what frequencies are

healing and what frequencies are not healing I'm wondering if there's a relationship because we certainly

understand the concept of clashing colors um versus complimentary colors

and disharmonic tones like dissonant tones versus harmonic tones is there any

relationship between that and the idea of a healing versus a non-healing frequency or could there

be right so again I I really recommend people look at history of things and

study this because that's where things get exciting and and the things that people knew a thousand 2,000 years ago

are going to blow your mind because we need to revisit that and rethink that because the reason that Pythagoras

created the musical scale was not for entertainment purposes it was specifically for healing purposes and he

found uh you know how did they know this so where did this come from again we can have have to read Pythagoras and what he

was writing uh in particular but he was he was able to find different effects

with different sounds and through I don't know if it's trial and error or was based on Theory uh these things were

predominant in society at least in in Greek and in in that area of the world

um and so these sounds were recognized as healing and also recognizing other

sounds that might be disharmonious to to uh to or or or um support a more disease

state of the body so this was already being discussed and looked at and acknowledged and recognized as a kind of

a science in some ways right um and then the idea of frequencies and light and

colors of light um again there's probably different ways to look at it well actually before we get to light I'll just say with sound um I think if

people look at like the Chinese symbol for medicine and I believe music and I

usually have a slide that shows this they're almost exactly the same so in the Chinese medicine in the Chinese

history they also clearly recognize this relationship between healing and medicine and sound too so there's a

whole history there we need to look at now in terms of light again we can go back to the Greeks um pamy was one of

the first I believe to talk about how colors affect emotions um and he created

this spinning wheel that had a a like a a a hot coal so it was like red I think

and he talks about it in Optica one of his Publications and it was a spinning wheel and depending on the frequency of

this wheel he'd have people sitting around like watching it and I don't know if it's like hypnosis or something else

but he would notice that certain frequencies would create certain emotions like people would start to like like laugh or get depressed or get

anxiety and so he reported this and it had to do with the frequency that these things were was spinning um and I and I

do know that even today military and other people even still reference Pam's work right from there so um and then of

course there is a whole history and field of color therapy um especially in

this country going back a hundred years there were books written and it was very controversial they went after a lot of

the people that were teaching those schools um and yet they were partnering with alpath doctors especially surgeons

and healing when you when you created a scar and to apply certain colors of light would would enhance the healing

process and people uh surge famous surgeons would testify on behalf of the the people that were teaching this and

so but people were going after them because they were saying they were Quacks Etc and they were teaching they

had schools across the country teaching these things so it became a very controversial area but the whole key is

we we have to go back and start to look and present and share this information as important information maybe as

important as thinking what the next big research Grant multi-million dollar grant for funding at a lab at a

university um I I believe we need to put money towards investigating history and having a much more open conversation not

just with academics but general public about what all this information and start asking questions about you know

how these things worked where did they go and and what do we know that we don't know today right absolutely so by way of

analogy possibly um with what you just described um I know that so back to the

concept of what frequencies are healing and which ones are not so within the the electromagnetic spectrum my

understanding is that in the extremely low frequency range is things like you

know various different types of EMF radio frequencies that we know are potentially damaging but that's also

kind of where the Schuman Resonance of the earth is and our Thea our brain's theta waves all the way up to Beta waves

for for focus and I've some of the things that I've read have have implied

that part of the reason why EMF can be so damaging is because it's actually influencing those brain waves such that

and I don't think that's the whole reason but might be almost speeding them up in potentially damaging ways relative

to the things they should be tuned to am I on the right track at all as far as this uh yes yeah absolutely because you

know so obviously electromagnetic waves especially pulsed or modulated waves um

can affect not just the body but materials in many many different ways so we have to look at different aspects of

this and it's not just necessarily one thing but let's just think of a living system or or a human being or the brain

for example as you mentioned there are certain frequencies associated with thinking and the Brain most of us know

like EEG waves we put on these helmets that people can buy now pretty cheaply and what the kind of frequencies that

you're measuring are uh things on the order of uh of Hertz so couple Cycles a

second or even slower I when you're sleeping you got slow delta waves which are even slower frequencies and then

they can extend up into Hertz or tens of Hertz um maybe even up to 100 Hertz

especially when it gets to disease State you can get gamma oscillations so you have Delta Alpha Beta gamma and these

are just frequency bands which are well known in the brain and those are the ones that are mostly studied although I'm not sure they were the only ones but

those are the most common ones so if you start doing things with any of these

energies we're talking about and start modulating or pulsing them at these frequencies it makes logical sense that

you can start to interfere now interfering could be promoting something maybe promoting sleep because you want

to go to sleep but it also could promote something you don't want like insomnia and keeping you awake so what that means

is and as we know with the EEG signals certain bands are associated with certain types of emotions like a

hypnotic state is Alpha frequencies right um so if you're unaware of things

and you have external feels that you cannot see of course you could do things with light as well and have an effect

but things that are not visible and you're not aware of that uh absolutely these waves can have an effect on your

emotions without you even knowing it you know oh I feel depressed today well it could be because you actually had something to make you depressed or it

could be you're pounded by certain frequencies that are putting you in some State and those bands of frequencies

there is you know these are fingerprints so each person's brains are a little bit different and so you may respond a

little bit differently so there's a lot of reasons why you might get differences between people um so so that's that's

that's Universal for any type of wave because it doesn't matter what the original frequencies that we were

talking about whether it's microwaves visible light even sound right if you

modulate that sound so that that you have a carrier frequency like radio right the carrier frequency is when you

tune your radio and you put that number and it shows that on your screen that's just tuning to the carrier frequency the

things that we were talking about before are primarily the carrier frequency okay well now you're just tuning into that

but what really you want to pay attention to is the modulations on that frequency right so you turn your radio

to a certain frequency in megahertz on your dial that's not the interesting thing that's just tuning in what is

interesting is the information that's being propagated on that carrier frequency so it's the same thing with

electromagnetic fields or sound what's really probably most important especially for related to your question

is what are those modulation frequencies and it could be something that just happens to be noise and it's it's on a

cell phone or something that happens to be modulating that's kind of intera in with cellular communication and we're talking about brain but but it's all

cells are actually using these energies for communication so then you have to say well you got to know the details of

what that's going on and are there certain frequencies that are maybe good or not so good for you um and so you got

to look at the modulations itself um which is which we actually for for microwaves which is one of our other

podcast we talked specifically about microwaves and 5G um the um that that's

the first thing in terms of cognitive uh and thinking is is how the modulation

frequencies are affecting now I just want to say that there are also certain things with the carrier frequencies

themselves that we also need to look at and as we talked about last time and just briefly the carrier frequencies of

microwave radiation at the gigahertz sort of frequencies have other properties that make it especially

reactive to the human body so meaning the carrier will react in a certain way

and now you're modulating it meaning you got two things going on which you cannot understand why that could have an a

particular effect on the body so with microwaves the two things that people want to know is that the wavelengths of

microwaves range from let's say millimeter to centimeter scale okay so now you're interacting with structures

in terms of resonance millimeter centimeter scale so that's like the organ level surface of your skin okay so

the wavelength are is consistent with with a living system um but the other

thing is that water the water molecule is highly absorbed by microwaves okay so

so that means that a microwave getting into the mic go far through the air especially if it's dry air you can go

miles or tens or hundreds of miles with certain microwaves um in the air but as

soon as it hits water or a living system it immediately gets absorbed it can't

penetrate very far and that absorption one of the main things that will happen is it get it it gets converted to heat

uh but as I just mentioned there are other things that most people don't think about including regulation

agencies often is that the modulation and the pulsing is also affecting cells

brains in in other ways uh for the reasons that I just said so those low frequencies that you mentioned they're

physiologic they're brain related they're also cellular related frequencies you start jamming

communication you start affecting its function I see I see okay so um another

possible analogy at least you can clarify for me if it's not but um list somebody listening to let's say

classical music or Gregorian chance versus like death metal is there a difference in terms of the it sounds

like what you're you're saying that's what the modulation is they could be on the same carrier wave the same radio might be playing those same things but

the modulation is what information they're sending which is the different type of music and that modulation can

end up jamming signals and interfering or having a harmonious effect with the signaling in the cells themselves is

that is that true yeah absolutely I think so and Amaro Otto who did most of the study on

water right and water droplets and this this whole controversial thing in water memory which is originally published in

nature by John banice the most controversial paper probably ever published in nature this is around

1988 it was never retracted but it created a firestorm but amaroto who's

also controversial but other people have repeated some of the things it's the idea of taking that water droplet and uh

giving intention and playing sound or saying something to the droplet and then through a crystalline process freezing

that water and then looking at the structure of the water under a microscope or in other ways and what

what they found was when you play things that are disc cacophonous if that's the

right word um versus harmonious like you said you will get very different patterns one will more obey beautiful I

mean I know it's subjective beautiful patterns and others will look like you know crazy weird structures and patterns

so I I would encourage anyone to try to do that and look for yourself and then think about what that means but you're

basically when you say something or or you know we get into attention what what is intention and is there energy

involved in attention it gets into a different thing but if you see a relationship and you can replicate it in

some sort of repeatable fashion independently then it's an observation that needs to be explored and from a

scientific uh perspective rather than ridiculing something or ridiculing the person which was an ad homim attack

which I don't think it's a good idea we need to use the scientific method and understand things better so uh so that I

think that's where so now if you if you're looking at a water molecule again we're 70% water on average or something

like that in our Earth is 70% water um then we start to uh have to think

carefully about how sound affects the molecules and everything on up in our

body and if it does affect a a single molecule it can affect your entire body because it's all being uh receiving that

energy and I I'll just add one more thing you know historically we talk about Pythagoras we came to modern times

but I would encourage listeners to look carefully at the history

of of sound uh in between that time specifically at churches um we're

familiar with bells church bells Liberty Bells Etc that ring through cities and Europe Etc as well as the organ pipes

and churches that would resonate not just through the buildings but through the entire cities and people would come

and sit there and just absorb these frequencies and of course sasio frequencies are fundamental to the Organ

Pipe and the church organs and I think if you look historically these were not just religious buildings these were

Healing Centers and people went there and wanted these sounds uh throughout their city as a way for maintaining uh

Health um and and I think that's an interesting just again looking history says well what did people know then that

we don't know now oh absolutely so when I was in med school I learned about this

uh um it was it was a documentary called what the bleep do we know and after watching that a couple of my uh

classmates and I did this really non-scientific experiment but we had two apples and we put one of them in

basically in the same area and one of them we would speak blessing over and the other one so one of my roommates had

a very foul mouth boyfriend and he would curse at it every single time he passed by and we took pictures of them a couple

of weeks later and it was amazing we didn't do anything really different but one of them looked pretty healthy and

the other one was all shriveled up and rotted so we got that idea I think from that video so it was it was just an

interesting idea of the Power of Words um that that you're right and it's something that anybody can try I think

you can do it with rice and let it grow and you know I it was like 10 years

ago I believe she's still an Adjunct professor in Optical Sciences I have to look up but she was local professor in

Optical sciences and we invited her to give a talk to my lab kind of like I invited you um and uh and she presented

some of her Optical techniques but one of the things she talked about which when I invited her is that she had

herself done experiments exactly the way that you were doing with plants and she said this is crazy but I'm G try it and

she she would just have plants grow and give put notes or different different um

intentions and she could see dramatic differences and she keep kept doing it it's like really bizarre it's like okay

there's something to this so so so so even a mainstream person can try these

things and see this observation and start to ask questions right how's this work and then I think there is some

there's absolutely physics there's things we can get into once you get past all the the conspiracy stuff how that's

impossible sort of stuff then we can have a real conversation right absolutely and back to what you you kind

of alluded to the concept of pulsed electromagnetic frequencies so can you touch on that briefly what's how does

that differ from the physics of normal frequencies the pulsing yeah exactly so what we do know

like in the field of microwaves uh Contin wave microwaves does not seem to be as

damaging I'm not saying go you know your microwave oven uses a continuous wave to

heat things up so it's a continuous continuous wave and that that's leads to heating but when you

start to break up the wave and starting and stopping it you get transitions so that would be just a pulse on and off

well those transitions uh I believe there's different physical effects going on and the rise and fall when you do

that um and we can get into that as at some point it's more complic uh but so so pulsing um is also

how your body does communication it doesn't have continuous waves although there may be things like carriers but

but if there's a carrier it is again the modulation and a modulation a pulse are kind of to me related you know a pulse

you might Define as just a short on time and an off time where there's a ramp and a ramp on ramp off but you think of

radio and the information you're listening to that's a continuous modulation I mean can be an amplitude

but let's think of yeah continuous amplitude modulation of that wave um and

I believe that your your cells your organs your your body of course EEG is related to this what you're looking at

on an EEG Trace is a modulation of that carrier frequency and then you can look

in bands but it's not those are not continuous and Alpha frequency from your brain is not a continuous thing it's

being broken up by other frequencies and on and off time so so um I believe and

there and you can and with A continuous wave if it just have a constant

continuous wave is very difficult to transmit information that way the information has to come from the

pulsation and modulation of the wave got it which is what we what we want to be paying attention to you know and and

also just another distinction between like natural frequencies that the Earth

uh creates um has different properties than you know we just talked about nature right so natural frequencies from

the Sun Etc um are generally different than man-made frequencies especially when it

comes to microwaves I mean we know we see antennas right that are dipole or monopole and that creates like an

oscillation through an electrical field that's being modulated and then the the microwaves come out of an antenna the

type and the behavior and the properties of that wave uh behave very differently than a

naturally generated and there aren't many microwave naturally generated sources on Earth but it behaves very

differently and there's polarizations and other things and there's some evidence that if you change the

polarization um you you might make some of these less interfering with with the human body and so there are things out

there that people are looking at and that so so obviously this gets into much more complicated topic but there are

many components to an electromagnetic wave spatial and temporal um that also

need to be looked looked at and how it may react to a a biological system got it yeah and i' read that the pulses

sometimes can be more damaging physiologically than the continuous wave to a person so like that's one of the

arguments that I've heard against smart meters for example because it's more pulse as opposed to continuous signaling

and that for people who are electrochemically sensitive can be more of an issue but then on the flip side there are like biomats that I assume

operate under the the pulst electromagnetic frequencies as well so some are good and some are bad kind of

like what it sounds like you're saying it just sort of depends on again the frequency and the information is that

true no no question and there's plenty of peer-review literature that indicates pulsed electromagnetic fields are

potentially more damaging and again it depends on and it and then there also evidence that pulse other types of

pulsing again frequencies and the way and the energy and the intensity and the properties can actually be healing um

because as you know I mean what uh before we got on we talked about the Body Electric and Robert Becker's work

um uh this is why it's so important to look at this there's clear evidence that

certain types of electromagnetic fields with all the different properties that it has is disharmonious to life and

living systems and there are other types of fields that can promote uh health and

and mechanisms like tissue regeneration and it's all in the details um and part

of that relates to the uh the the sacred geometries and natural frequencies um

and part of that could be through trial and error and understanding biological systems um and the only way that we're

going to come to Common Ground on that is to have the conversation apply the scientific method study the history and

start doing and getting more people involved in doing controlled experiments with this with the idea that recognizing

these are not easy experiments to do because to control electromagnetic wave

um requires expertise that most people don't have it requires expertise in biology um and the two together there

just aren't a lot of people out there that know how to create these systems and then create a controlled experiments

where we start to do this research whether that's in an animal or a human or cell culture um and then to do this

in independent trials at different places in the world right that it it's more more complicated than a standard

you know experiment that might be done uh in the biomedical field so there's a lot of things that we have to think

about right yeah and I I just have an intuition and it sounds like you do as well that the sacred geometry and the

Fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio have something to do with which of these frequencies are healing and which ones

are damaging and the concept of I mean as I S as um you kind of alluded to with

those water studies if you have a dissonant sound the simatic image breaks

almost and it goes from something that's beautiful to something that looks chaotic um and there's there's something

something to that there's got to be a pattern that we could probably identify that could say these frequencies are

beneficial these are not and it may have something to do with the natural frequencies of what the Earth typically

promotes versus all of this extra these jamming signals that we've polluted our

environment with so yeah and you mentioned just human resonance before I think it's 7.83 Hertz and this is just

an observation that the Earth itself is alive it is pulsing at this frequency

and and 7.83 Hertz that frequency is also a dominant frequency in the human brain and biological systems in nature

you can find this frequency so it's like we're in sync and resonating with the Earth and and are are is the Earth

affecting us are we affecting the Earth or is there something else that's affecting all of us but it's very more

than coincidental that we all share this frequency and yes people have talked about it shifting and moving around and

we know that if you go up in frequency or down in frequency right you go towards HP notic states to more active

learning to anxiety right so so these frequencies become important in

understanding how that works but uh and Schuman was someone that studied this and actually made a lot of important

discoveries on people and and doing frequencies on on College I mean experiments in college students Etc so

again another branch of history that we could look into and where this comes from and how uh people looked at that in

terms of of of Health um and psychology and things like that yeah well and from

my worldview of course one of the things that comes to mind as I hear about all of this is when God says let there be light and sound converts into light and

then it eventually converts into physical properties and scripture tells us that you know God formed by faith God

we understand that the worlds were framed from what is invisible so it sounds like quantum physics is

essentially kind of bearing some of this out that all of all of these various different frequencies and types of energy are

interconverted uh from one to another and I forget I'm not the best with the

Bible but I think in Genesis sound cre came first right there was the word word then the word and then then the word the

sound created light or something so again this whole idea how do you create sound from light well I have an idea I

mean we can show we didn't mention this but there's sonol luminescence this is

generating a sound usually a focused sound beam you can do this in water you can even buy system and do it yourself

you focus ultrasound in water and you can have a a a star Illuminating Light

in the water through a process called sonol luminescence and you can just have it there and people study this so there

it is you're creating sound in water and creating light from that it's fabulous I love it so if people want to add more

healing frequencies to their lives where do they start what would you suggest I mean sounds like music and getting

outside into nature but any other specifics that you would throw out

there uh that's a that's a good question um I

think you people need to think carefully what they are currently listening to in terms of sound right because uh and it's

not just the vibrations but the words and the meaning of words um all of this

is information that can be projected and I believe there's evidence that the words themselves can play a role in the

health and thinking of a person so I think the first thing is people need to pay more attention to what they're

listening to um that could music it could be news it could be uh who you know somebody's voice who knows um just

pay more attention to that uh and be more cognizant that just the fact that you're paying attention and listening to

that can have a profound impact on your body um that's also true with electromagnetic fields um there are

people you can come and do assessments I mean I guess that's one level to look at two things in particular in your home

and that is uh the levels of microwave radiation and the types of microwaves we had this on another podcast as I

mentioned there's been no environmental Factor that's been more thoroughly studied than the effects of microwaves

especially pulse microwaves on living systems um and so there really shouldn't be a debate on the ad adverse effects of

this types of radiation that doesn't mean you can't have your technology and be fine but it is important to have a

consent and know what what what we do know about the fields the other Branch especially in a home is something called

Dirty electricity um and that has to do with power lines and having noise on the power lines that

can be very disruptive to human behavior and there are people that can test that there are things you can do to mitigate

and lower the effects of that um so to me the first thing is to look for and identify things that we know are uh are

not good for uh healthy State and some people are simply going to be more sensitive to that or you know I have

different theories why that might be the case so the first is to beware that try to eliminate sources of noise that could

be affecting you especially if you have symptoms uh people are looking at all kinds of things and this could be one

major role factor for some people that they're not even thinking about so if you can mitigate sometimes just going to

a different place for a couple days and see if you feel better then you need to look and and I know that you do this for a living you need to look at this as a

possible Factor um and then um and then thinking historically what did people do

for healing frequencies um like the organ pipes and sasio and um you know

and I and I know that people for example you mention classical music uh I know

people that have are very difficult for them to focus and do homework if they're listening to classical music because it

somehow contradicts maybe left and right side of your brain or something so so there may be situations where something

like that works but maybe for studying you need some something else and I think uh maybe we can learn a little bit but

some of that is trial and error but I think if people just do the simple things I just said and are aware of this

and have that conversation and then through trial and er they may start to feel a lot better than than than they

are now absolutely what have I not asked you that you want to make sure you leave

with our audience um well I mentioned informed

consent and I'm really pushing that concept um rather than debating this

being right or this being wrong or alpath or naturopathic or drug therapy

or this what what I'm really demanding whether it's medical or some other device is that we all kind of stand

behind fundamental principle that everybody has a right to be informed uh on the dangers risks

benefits of any particular product or therapy um before they choose to do that

and not to Simply trust because an expert is promoting something um and to get away from the arguments

again for and against something but simply promote that core value um and everybody get behind that because I

believe there are a lot of decisions that are being made especially in the health care field are simply because we

aren't promoting and pushing that everywhere we go and hearing that and allowing people to get a device a

product or a treatment without getting what we already know about that and that should be required from a medical

professional from a company um but we seem to have lost that core value that used to be Central really right after

World War II right with a lot of the things that happened this was a theme that was being in our education promoted

but I feel like it's kind of disappeared so so for everything that we talk about whether it's for education or health um

let's have an open conversation and make sure we're providing that information um

and I believe a lot of things that we talked about of course they could be used um maybe in a harmful way

especially if it's a device but in the end a lot of the things that we talked about in terms of how colar or sound can

impact a human body tend to be very low levels you don't necessarily need a lot

of energy it's about finding the right frequency and resonating with that

frequency and your body and your cells will respond to that and so from that aspect it's much safer than using

something that would be intentionally harmful to try to kill something in your body to help it recover and heal um and

if you can see changes within a few days or a week or two you know why wouldn't you at least try to do that as long as

everyone's kind of thinking about that um so I I think that's just an aspect it's a it's a core value thing and the

way that we think about things and interact with people and talk about things because I think it's important

that we Bridge conversation rather than trying to divide especially the way things are right now in the world world

yeah absolutely so where can people go to learn more about you and your work so I generally would I just offer

my my personal email account is the best way is R witty rwi

tte protonmail.com um and anybody can look my uh

University uh website up um um for my professional stuff and my research I

think they can find look me up at the University of Iona and my name and can find that so I think that's generally

the best um and I'm always interested in meeting new people and and collaborating

um and coming up with new ideas how we can bring this information out amen absolutely well thank you so much Dr

Woody this has been great okay cool thank you

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