5G Hazards: Interview with Dr Russell Witte

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I'm excited to have Dr Russell witty Dr

witty is a professor of Medical Imaging Optical sciences and biomedical engineering at the University of Arizona

Dr witty's experimental ultrasound and neural Imaging laboratory devises Cutting Edge imaging technology

integrating light ultrasound and microwaves to diagnose and treat diseases ranging from tendinopathies and

arrhythmias to breast cancer by integrating different forms of energy special effects are created that enable

ultrasound imaging of Optical absorption deep in tissue mapping current Source

densities in the beating heart and elasticity Imaging of human muscle and tendon for quantifying tissue mechanical

properties Dr witty's research further extends into nanotechnology and smart contrast agents which have applications

to functional brain Imaging cardiovascular disease and cancer Dr witty work Works closely with

collaborators in the colleges of engineering Optical sciences and medicine as well as industry to develop

cuttingedge Imaging Technologies that improve potentially improve patient care welcome Dr witty thanks for joining

us good to be here thank you for inviting me yeah absolutely So today

we're gonna talk about something that's sort of like tangential to most of your studies in 5G so uh first of all can you

define what 5G is for our audience so 5G is actually an industry

created term it stands for fifth generation technology uh so 1G would be your analog

phone directly connected the old analog phone wired 2G would be where you just

had texting in the very early 1990s when you added Internet to that it was third generation 3G 4G is when you introduced

the video so 5G now is adding when you start connecting things to other devices

okay so it's it's not just a phone in fact the phone might be the least part of what 5G is it's about connecting

everything and everybody to a grid and that's what really fifth generation is

about and it's kind of a moving Target so technically 5G most people would

agree is a microwave frequencies that are above 3.5 gigahertz okay and 4G

would be considered things below 3.5 gigahertz uh but all within the microwave Spectrum so that's 3 gahz to

300 GHz that entire spectrum is considered microwave radiation which is what're going to talk about today and

that um and that whole band works together as we go from 5G it integrates

with 4G it's not replacing one it's being added to it uh and then there are

things like 6G and 7g as you start connecting more devices and add software applications and AI gets more it gets

more advanced from there so it's really a much bigger thing than just having two letters to understand what this is about

right right okay so for 4G and 5G it sounds like the frequencies do increase though as the generations go on or not

necessarily that's correct in terms of adding more frequencies because because the higher the frequencies the more

frequencies you add the higher the bandwidth the more bandwidth means more information transfer and the faster you

can transfer information so to have the Internet of Things whatever that is or Internet of bodies um and connecting

everything you need a large amounts of information transfer in a relatively short amount of time which simply means

more frequencies and higher frequencies gotcha okay and so a lot of people toss around this idea of Internet of Things

is this like Alexa Smart TVs what what what all is included in the internet of

things so the Internet of Things is is really about connecting everything to a

grid okay so it's 247 monitoring of everything essentially everything down

to Nano scale to macro scale the the term internet of bodies which are all the things that you might put on your

body that sends Wireless transmission that connects to to the grid ultimately

to a hospital on your doctor and there are platforms already established to do

this oh my um and and so that's that's kind of even though iot is kind of a

fancy little acronym or Internet of Things it's really important we understand the bigger picture of what this is about so we can decide what part

of this we really want and what part of it we should be regulating or possibly rejecting right okay so um from a health

standpoint is there a difference in terms of how concerned we should be for the 3G 4G 5G and I hadn't even heard of

7g I thought 6G was coming um but as far as what that actually does to our bodies

are we is there just an increased saturation in our environments or does the amount of energy that these These

bandwidths are carrying make a difference in terms of potential Health consequences so I I think we just need

to step back and understand the type of energy this is so it's pulsed pulse

modulated microwave radiation so everything in this band that we use and

this is our wireless devices that we use every day and it's the things being added with the the the cell towers the

5G cell towers and actually almost anything now can get an antenna on it a lot of the poles and you know so it's so

some of these are more symbolic but they're all transmitting microwave ration and a lot of people don't realize

how much research over the last over 100 years since before World War II people

have investigated through research and through their own experience uh relatively lowlevel microwave radiation

and the effects on the body and biological systems in fact in my opinion there is no environmental Factor that's

been more thoroughly studied than the effects of microwaves on living systems there are over 20 th000 relevant

peer-reviewed and go Publications and government studies in this area so as

soon as we sit down to have a conversation or a debate that like they used to in fact there's a book in 1984

called the Great micro debate where people actually debated these topics uh

I think people would learn very quickly that this type of radiation is certainly not safe and I would say it's not even

inconclusive whether this radiation was safe the data is so overwhelming in this

area is that data simply not being publicized or is it no longer being done or is it being done by you know people

that are outside of Industry why have we not heard about this well so back in the in the 1970s

when actually this was also pretty well established there were questions by the

funding agencies to continue to support this type of research because it was

very clear the types of things that microwaves could do so to be able to do a prospective study on a human

population meaning a control study where you're actually exposing them it would have been completely unethical andart

part impossible to get a review board to do to even approve that type of study so

even by that time you would have to do a an animal study which there's been the largest studies done since then which we

could talk about or you look at Occupational Health where people are are exposed in the workplace to microwaves

and there was actually a a a conference sponsored by wh in in 1972 I believe it

was a 3-day conference and you can download this and and and they looked at occupational health and the many other

things you can just look at the conclusions of that conference and the different mechanisms of how microwaves

affect living system cells DNA um and and models that were developed and in

how microwaves affect a biological systems very different than x-rays which is ionizing radiation we're talking

technically about non iing um but the mechanisms are different

so really since 1975 and even into maybe 1985 the Environmental Protection Agency

published the large three hundreds of pages about effects of microwaves um and then right after their study they

started to get defunded and the people retired so I would say certainly since the 1980s we don't have many experts in

this area that require both a biological background and Engineering background to

conduct these studies um partly because of defunding be part of retirement partly because of Education um and this

is all before the first cell phones came out in the 1990s so we don't see the the

research funding going to that we don't have the expertise um that's not to say that we don't have experts out there

that could come on your program and and reinforce and are directly doing research even to today but I think we

have plenty in the literature to have an open debate on this and understand how microwaves impact the human body and

health and not just human body animals and the environment so can you tell us a little bit like you alluded to the fact

that the mechanism is different from ionizing radiation what is the mechanism what's actually happening in the body

when it's exposed to microwave radiation so with ionizing radiation and

a lot of people learned this early on is with x-rays you're T it's believe that

you have enough energy in the in the in the wave to knock an electron out of

orbit from the atom so you're creating a free radical and free radicals we know cause damage and that's how x-rays work

well it's true that microwaves don't have the same type of energy as x-rays so they operate in a different way one

of the things that we know and there are many different things we can get into one of the things is it changes the molecular

structure of the um the structure of the organisms or the cells or um and also

can damage DNA okay so there's of studies including the largest studies that that demonstrate this so when you

have something that changes the structure of something like a red blood cell or a population of red blood cells

um you know that that can have an effect on health right just as an example

sickle cell anemia is a is a disease where the red blood cell is misshapened

and that causes all kinds of problems including oxygen delivery and and um so

we know that structure directly related to function so if you change a molecular F structure you're going to have an

impact on function and you start changing the properties or damaging DNA

now you get mutagenic things that can happen such as cancer and the development of other types of disease on

the other thing is that your brain is especially sensitive and I'm talking low-level microwaves not far off to to

fields that we might be exposed to with our devices or limits out there by regulation agencies which vary from

country to Country dramatically so then we got asked well why does one country have much more stringent standards than

than another country right what what what are they going by that's different um so with with the brain your your

brain can become leaky with exposures to micro radiation so the bloodb brain barrier which is supposed to be a

barrier that keeps things out of your brain from the vascul you start to see things that

normally shouldn't get into the brain start to get into the brain and and there's been many rats that in

particular going back decades that looked into that and with that particular mechanism it seems to have a

window where it's not necessarily the higher intensities it seems to be a certain range and this of course would

be in a rat where this effect is most pronounced so this idea that more and

higher intensity is always worse which in general is is generally true you want

to kind of minimize your exposure but there are these windows that are interesting that we have to understand

that low levels uh can have a significant ific biological effect um

and just a couple other things so what the regulation agencies here in the United States have focused on for a long

time has been really uh one mechanism essentially for for this argument and

that is related to heating so if you're not doing enough heating of the tissue then the microwaves can't do any damage

okay and typically you know I'm I work in the area of Imaging so we know to develop a a safe Imaging modality uh the

FDA for example would want demonstrate that you're not heating the tissue more than 1 degre celsus that's what they

would consider safe so so as long as you're not heating the regulation agencies seem to say it's okay even

though there are thousands of Publications that not only demonstrate you don't need to heat to get a

biological effect uh but also that the pulse modulation aspect that of it so

the pulsing is also more um effective to the cells impactful

um and it's important to recognize that your cells we should mention this also your cells use electrical communication

and so the pulsations of electric fields in general but especially microwaves can affect that communication system if

you're always being exposed to that okay so these are all the different possible mechanisms and I think most people are

affected by these fields but many people are have Protections in place uh this is

where you have to think of Health as being kind of vector right so if you have a good diet and um

you're doing other things that are otherwise healthy you don't have a lot of stress that can be kind of protective from the the fields that you might get

exposed to compared to somebody else that may have for example metal toxicity right and if you have higher levels of

metal in your brain or your body those little metal particles will act like

tiny little antennas and actually amplify the fields outside electrical

pollution what you what have you and so therefore um you can start to see why

this may be why some people are more sensitive to these fields than other people as one possible explanation yeah

and you also mentioned if if you're opening up the bloodb brain barrier and things can get inside and there's toxins that are already circulating then it's

more likely that those are going to get into places they're not supposed to be as well so um as you go up in terms of

frequency my understanding is that on one hand there it's more information and it's more therefore potentially toxic to

the organism but on the flip side is it true that it's also more easily shield

from like normal building materials for for example so the first thing I want to say

is that I don't at first I don't want to distinguish the higher frequencies from the lower frequencies because I think

you can make a good argument that the 4G frequencies especially today for most people are more harmful now if you got a

new 5G cell tower that's actually transmitting the higher frequencies which is actually is less common than

you might think then of course the addition of those frequencies could play a role but what most people need to

understand is that we're getting exposures from Bluetooth our cell phone WiFi we make a smart meters okay that's

by far right now today where most people are getting their exposure so that people need to think about different

tips and and recognize this as a potential health hazard and take precautions to protect themselves

especially if they're getting symptoms that may be consistent with microwave sickness which is a term the military

used a long time ago or microwave pollution so so and 4G you know and we

just said say below 3.5 gigahertz which even most of the towers those are those

frequencies that are being transmitted they will penetrate as you said much further in the air it can go tens of

miles if not further um and actually go through concrete into your home but as soon as it hits a walk like your body um

it will start to attenuate and anything below 3 gahz can go centimeters into your body so you're talking about the

wavelength on the order of organs um and then will be absorbed so so to me th

that that in terms of health today that those would be the main things that people want to think about now the diff

one of the difference between 5G yes you're going to higher frequencies and you're right and it go and you get up to millimeter waves because that might be a

term that you've heard that's T typically above about 30 G Herz because the wav lengths get down to about a

millimeter it's true that when those waves hit your body it's almost entirely

absorbed in your skin so it might only penetrate about a millimeter or so depending on the frequency compared to

you know penetrate centimeters it does not go as far in the atmosphere but if you have just air you can get those

frequencies to go pretty far it's usually water humidity in the air or

plants in front of your home that's in front of the tower um that's what tend to block those types of energies but it

can go through concrete and other things so um there's that means there's a big question why we would need a 5G cell

tower so close to our home um it's really not for better cell phone

reception I don't know anybody here in Tucson that claims they're getting better cell phone reception with all the towers like these that were installed

recently um so and so the other big distinction and one of the reasons when

I learned about it and this became a Hot Topic and I started to to educate people and get out there is that the

Technologies we're using in our home every day it's kind of mostly

involuntary I mean it's voluntary right we're we're voluntarily using these devices maybe we don't know and then we

can learn and do things when we talk about putting a cell tower or these devices right in front of our bedroom

windows which some of them are around Arizona um that becomes involuntary

exposure 247 nobody is really monitoring or regulating these uh we have we can

have somebody run around with a little tiny meter and get some idea at that moment in time what's going on but but

there's really nobody monitoring or regulating these um and so given what I just said in terms of known health

effects we're kind of wondering why nobody is coming together and saying um

well if we're really want this technology we need to make sure it's safe and it's not like we have to have

it right um we I think we all have a Choice um but we're kind of just letting

others just push this on us again without informed consent about what this is all about without a

conversation um and I think that's just dangerous in general not not just for the 5G we need to come together and have

conversation may make sure we're directly involved in the in decisionmaking process especially when

it comes to public policy for sure so backing up a little bit it sounds to me

correct me if I'm wrong that the idea of each in each generation gets added new

frequencies because the older frequencies are possibly saturated and we want to add more stuff is that is

that why we're going to 5G 6G 7g or is it some other reason the main reason is to connect

more devices and tools and things to a big data grid okay um it's related to

the facial recognition so a lot of people don't recognize we've got something like two billion surveillance

cameras at attached to a global internet and about 20 billion cameras overall I think China has about close to a billion

not quite um but the United States has more cameras per person than any other

country okay and that's all about facial recognition not necessarily the microwaves um but they all work in

Synergy so it's really important to understand that all this technology is being built for big data and

surveillance China already has what I would consider smart cities or

surveillance cities and you can listen about them there's been reports in NBC and Wall Street Journal like five years ago about how this is being used to

monitor people for social crediting for invasion of privacy um and th those are

plans to spread this to many many countries right so there's a a grid an infrastructure grid being set up that

works together that will impact every aspect of Our Lives it's actually been

planned for a very long time and actually proposed a long time ago but didn't quite have the technology to do

this um and we're really not talking about it or recognizing what's going on so while we can talk about the health

effects of microwaves and the decisions we make I think in in some ways the what

this is actually being used for and not having the conversation about privacy and surveillance is even maybe a more

important conversation we need to have sure yeah absolutely so the idea of this

internet of things does this really benefit the consumer or is this just part of that INF infrastructure that

you're describing primarily so in theory it these things

can be very beneficial right and let's say from a health care perspective if you're able to use uh all the

information available about a body or a person and all the different metrics the

electrophysiology the the temperature mapping the being able to uh estimate

immune systems remotely across populations Etc you feed that into a computer because Ai and machine learning

is a big part of this you get so much data you can't have somebody just like making a decision this is connecting

things to an artificial intelligence grid which is already established by the big companies now they're just feeding

information to figure out how to use it that information in turn could be used to better diagnose and treat something

um however it can also be used for Mal intent just like any other Technologies and the way it's being used in China I

think if most people look into it would probably be not something that we would appreciate here and the way that people

are being surveilled you you there are places in China where you jwalk and it immediately catches you and it puts your

picture on a big screen on a building and you're immediately sighted and it's automatically taken out of your bank

account these are things that are already happening so it's part of Social accrediting and social engineering so so

this is why we have to have the conversation we have to make sure we're directly involved in decision-making and right now for the last many years uh

especially since 5G was introduced almost 10 Years Ago by the FCC um there

really hasn't been an open conversation it's been more about marketing and Industry and advertising and making

people think it's about upgrading your cell phone which really has very little to do with what this technology is about

and it's far more mature than most people realize right so along those lines in Tucson especially what did the

roll out actually look like like at what point were we all exposed because I think it it started in 2020

right well they actually started to install this this what we call 5G cell

towers which are smaller in height than the really large macro towers that have been around since the 90s yeah um that

really started I would say maybe 2018 2019 starting around the

university um and then neighborhoods around the university uh but it really accelerated by like around February

March 2020 so as things started to get shut down these things across the country maybe even across the world but

across the country were prioritized um and in Tucson in particular uh there was a dramatic

increase in the roll out a lot of people try to slow things down and even have a

moratorium placed here in in the City of Tucson because we still do not have a

protective ordinance it's it hasn't really been updated um we recognize that

um and just like other cities uh people were proactive saying we need a moratorium we need to update the local

ordinance and make sure we're getting standoff distances between towers and homes and schools like many other places

including uh in Arizona but certainly across the country uh there are many things you can do to make it protective

to make it more difficult for industry but unfortunately there's a lot of misinformation that's gone to U

attorneys City attorneys as down to the city council members and mayors that they're being fed incorrect information

about the laws about oversight about who really has control and the bottom line is is our cities and towns are the ones

directly responsible for approving and denying permits okay so you really have

to know the law and you have to know who in the city is is involved in that process um but what we found very early

on and we had an early letter in in June 2020 for I had a neurosurgeon and a

couple professors said we had 133-page letter I'm happy to share that with you saying these are all the reasons we need

to put a little pause on this and talk about improving the ordinance and not only did we not get a even a

response to that or a follow-up letter um it took months till we even could get any communication this was things were

being shut down and remote right and things were always there was always a barrier here in Tucson to have that

conversation to get people a table to make the thing so so so it's not like

there was a debate one way or the other we couldn't meet we couldn't have an open conversation and we didn't really know

and how to what the tools were to to for Force action even though uh we had many

many people ultimately were involved and in some ways still are but how do you deal with a um a local government that

what will not work with people and represent the people listen carefully to people respond to documents that are

done in writing those are questions we all have to have and then here in Tucson it's bad it because um because Tucson

started early and there's lots of evidence that Tucson has been slated to be a smart City or 15minute city there's

plenty of evidence going back 10 years on websites and things and it's been promoted actually openly uh that might

be one of the reasons Tucson started early compared to other cities but other cities that in Arizona that are under

the same state laws uh started to learn very quickly what was going on but they were able to get in before the towers

went up and that's before the liability started right and and even today they've

been able to stop go down to their city government when the towers proposed and make their arguments that they know

their talking points and be able to stop Towers Fountain Hills has effectively Fountain Hills Arizona effectively has a

moratorium in place they use the same strategies that we did in Tucson and were able to get to the city council and

mayor and they got some really smart people there that are right in the face of their city council members and got them to vote properly and and and and

bring in the top uh Telecom attorney in the country to consult and work with them to work on a better ordinance and

in the meantime they've they have a pause they don't have these towers up so so a lot of people don't know what's

going on um but this is so important that that even though Tucson um had this

happen and it seems like it's slowed down now but we have over 500 of these

what's called small but they're they're only small in height not in power cell towers all over Tucson some close to

schools and and homes and Residences um and we didn't even we talked about the privacy and the health but another easy

one that people want know is that from many studies when a cell tower goes in a

neighborhood near a home those properties devalue makes sense in price

on average about 20% and in California you have to you have to put if you're

going to sell your home you have to declare that a cell tower is either there or being proposed reserved for

that location and that Housing and Urban Development referred to a cell tower as a hazard as a

hazard so so these are all like Common Sense thing so if somebody without your

consent or approval or you wanten you know and put a sell tower for your home and devalue your property who is paying

for that loss doesn't make sense right absolutely so these are the things

happening all over the country people in different towns are pushing back in different ways some some are more

successful than others um but this is something we should all be coming together on not waiting till we get a

notice on our door saying they we're starting to put a cell tower and on your sidewalk tomorrow that's not like the

time to figure out when to get involved no absolutely okay so I'll come back to

kind of like the the public discourse discussion but from an individual standpoint you alluded earlier to the

fact that our main exposures are the devices that we control so for devices

that have 5G capability in them whether it's the phone or the TV or the smart or

the the smart meter anything else how do people protect themselves from the things that they actually do have

control over what would you recommend people start with so yeah it's a general principle

for any of the microwave frequencies but since really most people are being exposed to something less than three gigahertz because that's their Wi-Fi

right and and if you hear 5G on your Wi-Fi that really is 5 gigahertz it's

not the same thing as 5G it's another thing so but it's just one frequency on

your router and it happens to be a 5G frequency but it's not what we're really talking about here got it uh but most

frequencies are Bluetooth WiFi cell phones these are all still the 4G

frequency so that's really what we want to protect ourselves from um and the first thing is if if I mean most

Americans today are sick they have chronic diseases Etc but you you really want to consider what your exposure

levels are um and you can get a little portable meter you can find to give you an idea and identify of course if you're

sleeping next to a smart meter you need to then play more attention to that and get

that assessed if you're sleeping in the same room with a Wi-Fi you can just have it turn off when you're at night and

have it come back on in the morning a lot of people can completely wire their their homes uh it's fairly easy to do

that and get rid of your Wi-Fi if you want um I I have Wi-Fi just turn it off at night um uh and you can get faster

internet that way um and uh and then you know you want to be smart you don't want to put your phone on your pillow when

you're sleeping on your head that's not a good idea because where you're sleeping you might be in the same

general spot for eight hours so you want to P special attention to the room where you're sleeping so from that exposure um

so keep keep things in airplane mode keep things away from your body I mean technically the laptops and the phones

in their manuals say that you're not supposed to ever put them up right up against your body because you can

increase the exposure standards um and so so it's it's right in there so so we

know that and and before you know the older cell phones like the blackberries the manual would say it's supposed to be

25 millimeters away from your body at all time an inch away that means you can't even hold your phone technically

right right the newer ones it might be 10 millimeters I don't know five millimeters depends on the phone so so

standoff distance being able to assess your exposure so if you don't want to do it yourself there are people locally uh

I think saf te Tucson is a website you can look up and and they can have

somebody come to your home and do an evaluation and give you suggestions and

tips um and and there are individuals trained in this um RF Engineers there's

people that can actually do this um in Tucson and around Arizona you can find I think there's some a profession called a

building biologist y you can look that up which is a broader term for finding people specifically in this area um you

know other tips you know just generally like in your car because your car is a metal shield so microwaves will tend to

bounce around inside the car and enhances the exposure um often you you

will need a a stronger signal coming from your stone and the tower because it's got to go through the metal um so

so some people espe you know again if you have symptoms that's where you want to pay closer attention some people may

feel fine and you're still may be affected by it but not notice and you might just get lazy and not pay

attention to it but it's just important to be aware of what the facts are and where you're going to get the exposures

um so so yeah smart meters are a big one you got to know if you have them and how close you are and you you are ways you

can opt out and go back to get an analog meter the the in case of two electric

power they may charge a fee Etc which you might or might not be able to argue with Etc um what are other things that

some people say you know I I know that some people get into shielding their special paints and and that gets into

into a much more complicated situation and some people have benefited from that but it is tricky you really do need to

hire a professional if you're going to do that right and you and and and and that can be used to Shield microwaves

coming from outside your home um if you have a situation like that um but it's

not just intensity right um we didn't mention this so intensity the the amount of energy the amplitude of the

microwaves is one of the factors but the other are are well dose so how much

exposure you get over time which is not really recognized by the regulation agencies it's like one minute or five

years is considered okay equivalent to some of the regulation standards and

then the third thing is the the pulsations okay and the type of pulsations the different kinds of

pulsations can get different effects we're not talking about that today uh but this is also you can get all kinds

of different effects based on the different kinds of pulsing you can do um

and a lot of people don't realize this because it relates to some of the Imaging that we do but you can use

pulses of microwaves that will generate sound that you can hear this is called

the microwave auditory effect this is been known actually since the first radar went up a hundred years ago or

longer um but it's been well published and documented there are books on this called the micro evory effect um patents

on this um at relatively low levels if you're in AC Qui envir enironment you can actually hear pulses and microwaves

now we use that to use create ultrasound which are higher frequency sounds that

we detect and then we can make an image an ultrasound image from those sounds that come back but the image is related

to the absorption of the microwave that went in so the contrast is a little bit different that's how I'm familiar with it and that's called thermoacoustic

Imaging and the mechanism and the effect that's been studied is the thermoacoustic effect so these are

lowlevel effects doesn't require thermal like lot of heating fact it would could

be within the standards that we use today that can create clicks noise even

this technology can be used to put voices this is called voice to skull technology which you can look up using

or microwave so this is gets into a whole another field of of Beyond just

health effects but um of directly affecting a a uh creating physical

effects that can be perceived Beyond just what we think is invisible kind of energy sure yeah wow

that's so dystopian it's all the various things they can do these days are incredible so uh you you kind of alluded

to the fact that the choices that people can make to minimize their exposure has to do with your your proximity to the

source right so it it typically the exposure drops off exponentially with distance that's is that about right yeah

uh yes and no so so with the typical kind of things

like the macro Towers they tend to be uh antennas that the where the intensity

drops off in distance typically like an r squared so the the square the distance

okay right however when you start to get to the higher frequencies and you get to microwave arrays that have multiple

elements not just one big block of an antenna that sends out omnidirectional in many different directions you can now

have antennas that are much more directional and this is how 5G and 4G ultimately can work together in Synergy

where you have the 4G that's going in all directions monitoring things continuously and then the 5G can focus

in on a certain area you can actually have a spanning or a scanning beam a narrower Beam not exactly a laser

although there are such things as masers which are lasers that are microwave frequencies but they can be much more

narrow beams and directed that will not fall off the same way now if you have a very big array and isn't a typical thing

you would see for communications that we're talking about but in military you could have a large array of microwaves

and actually focus a beam to a tiny spot where you would get much more energy at a distance and you would do that using

uh time delays on the elements and and be able to electronically steer a microwave beam in different locations so

we do this with ultrasound all the time that's how ultrasound Works where we're steering sound ultrasound that's how you

make an ultrasound image with a linear array in the hospital Hospital you're electronically steering by changing the

delays on the elements and you can focus an ultrasound beam in the body right and actually create an image you can do this

in principle with microwaves um but the key is to understand that yes most of the things will drop off with distance

but when you get to the higher frequencies some antennas can be much more directional and I would say maybe

intended to be that way because they're being used together with the 4GS okay I

see okay so is it based on what you're describing I have a picture in my head of okay so you've got the 4G that's kind

of going omnidirectional as you said and then the 5G might be going this way but your

house is right here I mean is it possible for you to be close to it and have it not affect you because it's direct directing someplace else for the

beamed or did I misunderstand you uh so yeah so 4G would tend to be

omnidirectional because those poles might have things coming from different sides so they can technically radiate

and just say large fan beams okay um but

depending on the type of antenna within that range if it was a 5G antenna you could direct a beam within that range

now these towers will have many antennas on them it's not just one so they're facing different directions they all we

can use together in Synergy so really the idea is to cover the entire Spectrum the entire field everywhere um and

monitor everything that's what we're talking monitoring everything so it's many antennas many poles and not not just the poles it's it's the it's the

things on the street it's the street lights it's the walls I mean there are things that can be camouflaged right now

you can these up we built into walls into churches you wouldn't even know there's a an antenna there that's called

um stealth technology um and some places want to conceal the towers because it

looks nicer um some people want to know that it's there right so there are certain laws related to concealment

versus that so so I only say the cell towers or even our devices as being symbols or symbolic of a much bigger

picture of how this is word but the the goal is to monitor everything everywhere

every tree in the forest is part of what this is about um in Bill Gates Microsoft

has software and programs to monitor trees in the forest you know what their health is right so when I when we say

everything we really mean everything yeah okay so how do people find out if

there's already a cell phone tower or multiple cell phone towers near them is there a quick and easy resource for that

yeah so there are some websites let me see I so for Tucson I would go to saf

Tech Tucson because they'll have links saf tucson.com

um and I know I know people that run that site let me see if I have um I

think there's antennas is it antennas [Music] specifically at the websites but for

Tucson there is a specific website on the City of Tucson that will show a grid

um you got to kind of play with the icons a little bit I think there's instructions on saf Tech Tu some and you

can actually see where these 5G cell towers the ones that are reserved that haven't been put in that may come in in

the future um maybe they show macro Towers I don't know and there are multiple different sites um however you

can't assume that that those are 100% reliable because there's no requirements

right now to for this this is this is a big thing we can demand these things so

they they may be slightly inaccurate or miss things um uh you know I don't know

why it is this way but it is but I think at least for tucon there is a a map

where you can monitor not just the ones that are there that but also the ones being reserved and hopefully that that is accurate um and I I can send you

later um the what addresses foring and I'll make sure I put that in the

show notes so for people who want to get involved and try to prevent this from going further where do we start what do

we do um that's a good question uh a lot of

people have been involved so to speak um uh because after we originally wrote

letters we EV eventually turned to notice using notices and affidavits which are a little bit more formal and

appropriate um kind of like notices liability but notice is just warning the people directly responsible which we

believe um are are the city council and mayor because there're are elected

representatives and they are direct directly responsible for approving denying permits and Pim County Board of

Supervisors also oversee some of the cell towers a much smaller percent um we

focus more in the City of Tucson just because they're they're responsible for most of the towers um and and so in that

Community uh actually across the country we had close to 2,000 people send

notices electronically to the city council and mayor of what the laws are

what the things are supposed to be doing what they're not doing warning them that

this is their responsibility and that there are consequences for their action Etc and this went on for months and

since didn't get any response nothing changed uh people turned to affidavit

which is a strong ER form of a notice saying okay now we're done you've causing harm now it needs to stop

immediately right and over 520 people had their affidavit served to the city

council and mayor in 2022 2023 um and the an affidavit is a is a

testimony it's giving testimony evidence it's a sworn statement with penalty of perjury so the people putting those

affidavits and signing that are doing that with penalty of pery surgy and they're demanding that they get a

response within 72 hours I believe um or that you acknowledge everything in there

that's true and you have to respond with your own affidavit a SW statement right the problem is they really can't respond

to these because they're accurate so they just chose to ignore them and we've talked to some of them since they says

oh those things aren't worth the paper they're printed on we have them on actually literally saying

this um but this is our city council mayor now there the truth is that there ignorant they don't know what the laws

are they don't know that who they're supposed to be representing and we we

the people are not doing our responsibility our der like duties to

educate and inform early on of what this is so so what I've learned and even

though people would sign these documents they kind of just conceded because well we asked we did what we could but we don't know what else to do right so so

people just kind of went back but these documents are still sitting there we still have the problem so the first

thing is people need to study this research this get people together get

educated on this whether it's taking action to to help Tucson um and to think

about what the future of Tucson is or to help their own health or maybe somebody lost property value and they need to

figure out what can I do about this and who's responsible we need to first start a conversation about these kinds of

things about informed consent um so we can then have the information knowledge and power to go to somebody else like

our local government or the next person or our candidates or whoever and make sure they're fully up to speed on what

the laws are and we have these debates and arguments because it's not an easy talk topic and we need to bring people

with different perspectives but we don't have healthy civil discourse anymore so so I just think if anybody out there

could help build platforms for this discourse to bring people together and

they don't have to be necessarily like-minded they can have different points of view but are willing to want to have a conversation to learn

something to figure out how we can work together to do things better so I I'm

not I'm not saying there's any specific action items because in terms of the all the process in terms of documentation

and I can share you anybody can go and read these documents the four notice different notices in the affidavit and

you can even serve those but until I think happens what I just said and that

we and until we realize that we we actually we the people have the power

and these are public servants and they have to listen to us and pay attention to us and they're not doing that until

we recognize that um I don't think we can change anything so it is more about

us right now um it doesn't I don't think it takes thousands of people it may only

take dozens at most but they have to really understand what's going on know the talking points have the right

attitude um and and it can be as few as that many number of people that can actually start changing us whether it's

Tucson I mean there's the cities across the country are involved in this in different ways and different magnitudes

absolutely that makes sense what have I not asked you that you want to make sure you leave with our

audience so I think what I just said last is most important I I see 5G as a

this topic because when I got into it I was just bringing my expertise because I have worked with microwaves and re in

defense and medical research and I've had to do a lot of research in

the Publications and and I didn't I never realized how much there was on this specific topic but when I got into

it it was like my God I never realized this and other I know other scientists that have figured that out as well um

but I think it's more symbolic like how how are we allowing this to take place

and either not aware of it or acting like there's nothing we can do we just kind of like gave up right and that's

generally the attitude and we need to change that mindset we need to change it now because it's one

thing being exposed to microwaves it's another to have a surveillance system being put into place which we can talk

it's well documented what the plans are and not just here but across the world we need to come together now um and and

so what what I said last about thinking in terms of what I'm saying not um

recognizing that this is a value system and the longer we wait the more

difficult it is to that we're going to be able to do something and once you have the infrastructure in place it's

going to be almost impossible to do something and I'm just gonna put another name out there again I can give you a

link so Aman Jai I don't know if you've heard of him or his name Aman jabbi so

he's done quite a few seminars and he worked in Silicon Valley in the tech industry and has patents on the phones

that we use today related to facial recognition and the camera stuff he's given a lot of presentations about the

infrastructure that's being built what it's being used for and how we need to focus on our like local communities to

push back stting pretty much what I just said you have to stop the infrastructure

and people aren't talking about it knowing what's going on it it's the only way of course you got to change your minds first and recognize it but but you

cannot allow this infrastructure to continue to be pushed forward at a rapid pace and very few people are talking

about it so he he lives in Montana I've talked to him a few times but he's like the technology guy so the facial all

this other stuff is the compliment and he's given some really good presentations and PowerPoint slides of

you some of his stuff that will get you into more detail of how everything kind of works together from that perspective

gotcha okay so I will find that information and I'll include that in the show notes where can people go who want

to learn more about you so I generally just give my personal email obviously I'm here just

representing myself not the University anybody can find my professional contacts by searching for me um but my

personal email is R witty which is rwi tte

protonmail.com p r o t o n

m.com and I'm happy and if people want to get a group together to talk about

this topic or anything else or form a group um for a presentation or discussion I'm always open to that

interested in meeting new people so awesome well I will link to that in the show notes as well and thank you Dr

witty this has been very enlightening absolutely I hope your audience enjoys and gets get something out of the

information thank you so much

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